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I'm young, foolish, and I honestly don't care if I'm labeled a terrorist. Although, my ethnicity doesn't particularly help my cause...

Interesting sentiment, and I can't help but think this is why the government seems to fear the youth the most/ships them off to wars in other countries.

Was there a time when wars were only fought by old men?

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Just the fact that we have to start websites like these, and march Capitol Hill to make the government realize its mistake is depressing, infuriating, and is gently, gradually tapping at a hot, steaming teapot of rage within every rational individual's psyche. What is the root cause? How did this get so incredibly bad? Is it the fault of the public? Is it the public's fault we are in an Orwellian state of Soviet-era…

Creating a mesh network using the unused analog TV frequencies probably would be nice and useful

Or a mesh network consisting of wifi nodes might be good too. The trick is in the routing.

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This is going to be about a redefinition of privacy. It was ok for governments to spy on other countries governments (and so their citizens). In this name we put satellites over us all. The problem with this is the satellites spied on everyone, and governments were supposed to ignore the right bits. But now if a government wants to spy, it mostly needs to watch what people do or do not do online (I will bet real spie…

1. The machinery being put into place is a dictator's wet dream. By creating the infrastructure, we are putting a gun to our heads, and trusting the person holding it (the government) to not pull the trigger. The government may be benevolent now, but that may not always be the case.

2. Once the machinery is in place, it makes it that much easier to change directions. Just look at how all of the powers granted by the PATRIOT Act are used to non-terrorism related investigations like the War on Drugs, or the War on (Paid) Sex. Look to the censorship programs in Europe / Australia. They were put into place to block supposedly 'only' child pornography. Now they are used to block other things.

3. How are we supposed to make sure that things aren't being abused when everything happens behind closed doors, and the members of Congress cleared to see more specifics aren't allowed to see very much of hte system.

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This is going to be about a redefinition of privacy. It was ok for governments to spy on other countries governments (and so their citizens). In this name we put satellites over us all. The problem with this is the satellites spied on everyone, and governments were supposed to ignore the right bits. But now if a government wants to spy, it mostly needs to watch what people do or do not do online (I will bet real spie…

1. The machinery being put into place is a dictator's wet dream. By creating the infrastructure, we are putting a gun to our heads, and trusting the person holding it (the government) to not pull the trigger. The government may be benevolent now, but that may not always be the case. 2. Once the machinery is in place, it makes it that much easier to change directions. Just look at how all of the powers granted by the…

> dictator's wet dream I expect the same was said about satellites, telephone tapping, etc Our defence against dictators does not lie in technology but in the ballot box.

2. Again the ballot box is the defence, but the reason it gets used is people are educated about the technology and the implications of abuse. I doubt that a US to ernment that took away a right to silence would suffer a few outcries from geeks. They would get roasted. (Unlike the UK)

3. Secret courts are banned for that reason. I think I would like to see a definition of national security like "ten thousand dead" or 3 % loss of GDP. Then when. That gets invoked we can make a sensible guess about how often it's likely. Otherwise, you put it in open court

Individuals are not the only ones to lose privacy in the coming years. Go ernment a will lose more

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The US national debt is denominated in dollars. The US government decides what a dollar is. There's no way they can default. Just trigger hyperinflation.

Sure, that's the "technically correct, but practically worthless" answer. Trigger hyper-inflation and then what? It surely won't be "business as usual" afterwards.

That's why they do it progressively enough so you dont see prices jumping up too fast. But be sure that they do, from year to year...

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. The machinery being put into place is a dictator's wet dream. By creating the infrastructure, we are putting a gun to our heads, and trusting the person holding it (the government) to not pull the trigger. The government may be benevolent now, but that may not always be the case. 2. Once the machinery is in place, it makes it that much easier to change directions. Just look at how all of the powers granted by the…

> dictator's wet dream I expect the same was said about satellites, telephone tapping, etc Our defence against dictators does not lie in technology but in the ballot box. 2. Again the ballot box is the defence, but the reason it gets used is people are educated about the technology and the implications of abuse. I doubt that a US to ernment that took away a right to silence would suffer a few outcries from geeks. The…

The government has more resources than common citizens have. Sure the government is losing privacy, but citizens can't be invasive of the government's privacy in the same way that the government is being invasive of citizens' privacy.

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Just the fact that we have to start websites like these, and march Capitol Hill to make the government realize its mistake is depressing, infuriating, and is gently, gradually tapping at a hot, steaming teapot of rage within every rational individual's psyche. What is the root cause? How did this get so incredibly bad? Is it the fault of the public? Is it the public's fault we are in an Orwellian state of Soviet-era…

As I follow what has been going on in greece and turkey, I wonder when/under which circumstances we will reach our tipping point?

Maybe when MQ9's start patrolling the skys regularly state side, someone will intercept and take control the line of sight feed and send a message to the individuals sitting in their desks in Washington that the chickens have come home to roost…

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Instead of a "campaign", how about some technical countermeasures? They're the only thing that actually has a chance of working. You simply can't rely on the political process as it exists when the response of the security establishment is to a) wait for an arbitrary crisis to dust off a naked power-grab, b) secretly "reinterpret" the law beyond recognition, and c) flatly ignore the law as they did with their "Terror…

What technical countermeasures do you suggest? Check out what this guy has to say about resistance: http://youtu.be/3ftfEXxFC4Q?t=28m53s

I have thought about it. We can't make use any more of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo Twitter and FaceBook. We need a new system, one built with anonymity and lacking a central point of failure.

Let's say we invent a protocol and write some software clients for it. It should do anonymous search, browsing, messenging, social networking, video calls and video streaming. It would hide the origin of a request and make it uncertain about who does what.

For example, if 1000 people use a common VPN server to access Google, and they all come out as the same IP address, it can become more difficult to know who searched for what. All that is needed then is to browse in Safe Mode without logging in.

This kind of ideas and other (distributed hash table, using bittorrent like systems for moving data around) could make a nice private communication tool.

We just need to make a clear separation between what can be said on FB and what can be said on Anonymous net.

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