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Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by mschuster91 »

tptacek wrote: post #27
smnrchrds wrote: post #18

I actually think Yandex is a good alternative. Assume that all countries have similar projects like PRISM. Which one would you rather have: your country spying on you or a foreign country? If your country is spying on you, it can use the data it gathers against you in a court, etc. If it's a foreign country, what could they possibly do?

Technically, the FISA law being used by the NSA to capture phone records doesn't generate evidence that is easily used in court. If you're not a legitimate foreign target, you can suppress evidence that originates from FISA, and the NSA is obligated to destroy evidence it inadvertently collects on citizens.

Do you actually believe what you're writing? Seriously, the NSA or any other govt agency would be stupid to delete data and I highly doubt that the "checks and balances" measures actually care about doing their job. If they had done so then the leak would not have been necessary.

Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by dantillberg »

I imagine the NSA will still find a way to read your mail.

Remember how Google complained loudly about Chinese hackers breaking into a few Chinese dissidents' gmail accounts?

How pedestrian of them. The NSA is apparently far more efficient at that game.

Re: Yandex Mail

#33

Post by GabrielF00 »

alan_cx wrote: post #10
jdminhbg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a really subtle joke...? The FSB will very definitely kill you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anna_Politkovs...

Well, at least they got and only got the target. Drone strikes seem to regularly take out many innocents. Or are no A-Rabs innocent?

Seriously? Are you completely unfamiliar with the conflict in Chechnya and the surrounding regions?

From Wikipedia's article on the Second Chechen War: > According to the 2001 annual report by Amnesty International:

>> There were frequent reports that Russian forces indiscriminately bombed and shelled civilian areas. Chechen civilians, including medical personnel, continued to be the target of military attacks by Russian forces. Hundreds of Chechen civilians and prisoners of war were extra judicially executed. Journalists and independent monitors continued to be refused access to Chechnya.

Re: Yandex Mail

#34

Post by ivan_gammel »

kpierre wrote: post #3

KGB is much better than NSA: they simply don't have money for data processing on that scale. Yandex Mail is a great competitor to gmail, some things even work better -- you've got a separate list of thread's attachments, ability to unsubscribe from whole spam categories in one click, SMS (maybe only in russia) and so on

FSB does not need the money for it, but they already spy on everyone for 15 years. In Putin's Russia, the ISPs purchase the necessary equipment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM

Re: Yandex Mail

#35

Post by tptacek »

mschuster91 wrote: post #31
tptacek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, the FISA law being used by the NSA to capture phone records doesn't generate evidence that is easily used in court. If you're not a legitimate foreign target, you can suppress evidence that originates from FISA, and the NSA is obligated to destroy evidence it inadvertently collects on citizens.

Do you actually believe what you're writing? Seriously, the NSA or any other govt agency would be stupid to delete data and I highly doubt that the "checks and balances" measures actually care about doing their job. If they had done so then the leak would not have been necessary.

Yes, I actually believe what I'm writing. If you doubt any of the checks and balances work, what's there to discuss? The only conclusion I see you as being able to come to is that we'd have to eliminate all foreign signals intelligence.

Re: Yandex Mail

#36

Post by ck2 »

Didn't east germany have warehouses of piles of paper of records of everyone spying on each other?

It bothers me as a progressive that many liberals don't see how we are a hop, skip and jump away from that mentality.

From birth to death there is going to be a record of your child's phone calls, friends, dates, etc. It will never be deleted.

Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by buster »

ck2 wrote: post #36

Didn't east germany have warehouses of piles of paper of records of everyone spying on each other? It bothers me as a progressive that many liberals don't see how we are a hop, skip and jump away from that mentality. From birth to death there is going to be a record of your child's phone calls, friends, dates, etc. It will never be deleted.

Aye, and we're still at it deciphering shreddered papers :)

http://www.goethe.de/ges/pok/ddg/en2491168.htm

Re: Yandex Mail

#39

Post by gyardley »

smnrchrds wrote: post #18

I actually think Yandex is a good alternative. Assume that all countries have similar projects like PRISM. Which one would you rather have: your country spying on you or a foreign country? If your country is spying on you, it can use the data it gathers against you in a court, etc. If it's a foreign country, what could they possibly do?

Use the information against your own country and the people in it, which likely includes the people you're closest to?

Since you're not a citizen of that country, use the information in your email in far less scrupulous ways? Perhaps they could blackmail you into being a foreign intelligence asset. Perhaps a corrupt employee could slip your information to a criminal organization who will then steal your identity.

All of these things seem rather unlikely, and chances are you're equally boring to both governments. But your assumption that the government of a country you're not a citizen of will treat you better than the government of a country you are a citizen of seems pretty odd to me.

Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by tripzilch »

wcunning wrote: post #21

Slightly off-topic, but how do people here think Yandex search stacks up against Google? I mostly use DuckDuckGo at this point, but I like to have several alternatives and Google is not going to be one of them anymore.

It's pretty ok. It definitely crawls a different part of the web than G and DDG, so that's always refreshing.

I used to like it because it still had a lean, plain HTML no-frills interface, but I see they've added some JS interactivity to it (not much, though).

I thought they had an English version, but I can't find the link :) So all I'm seeing is Russian, which I cannot read.

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