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John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Well, that explains why he linked to that "A $5 app isn't expensive" post from Daring Fireball yesterday. http://www.macworld.com/article/2032847/a-5-app-isnt-expensi...

Or, it's the other way around, and the pricing philosophy he's had all along influenced his decision on how to price this:

http://daringfireball.net/2006/11/pinprick

(Where by "or" I mean "no").

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this tool. It looks trendy, but it takes notes. No syncing. I mean, this is the guy that wrote NetNewsWire. Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? I honestly want to find something new that the app does that is supposed to change my workflow, but there is just nothing. A cynical part of me feels like this exists (especially with the $5 price tag) just to ride the…

Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend?

Paul Graham, I know you can hear me, and I know this is possible because I know a thing or two about the Javascripts, and so I'm telling you now: the site's banner should strobe clown colors for 5 minutes every time news.arc sees this string.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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It appears to me by purchasing this app, you are trading the features of existing products for a slick design. I'm particularly impressed with how they have spun the lack of features as a feature ("simple and elegant", "imposes no system") For me, inability to coexist with Notational Velocity is a dealbreaker.

Isn't that a little bit like saying that by buying a Moleskin notebook, you're trading the features of existing products like Trapper Keepers?

This might be stretching the metaphor a little, but in college I'd take a five-section notebook over a Moleskin any day because of the nifty little pockets that I could keep problem sets and syllabi in.

Similarly, an iOS notes app that doesn't have websync just seems unhelpful for me. The only time I need to record a piece of data and I don't have access to my laptop/paper are usually when I need to remember something for later: and that "later" involves me using my laptop.

(Advantage of note apps vs. note books: the former lends themselves much more to iteration.)

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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I wish this existed on OS X, and not just iOS, a platform where I'm never particularly interested in taking notes.

What would be especially nice would be if iOS Vesper was a satellite of a desktop Vesper, so that my photos and location information would automatically get pulled into my notes.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a little bit like saying that by buying a Moleskin notebook, you're trading the features of existing products like Trapper Keepers?

This might be stretching the metaphor a little, but in college I'd take a five-section notebook over a Moleskin any day because of the nifty little pockets that I could keep problem sets and syllabi in. Similarly, an iOS notes app that doesn't have websync just seems unhelpful for me. The only time I need to record a piece of data and I don't have access to my laptop/paper are usually when I need to remember somethin…

So this is easy: the kind of person who prefers a five-section notebook to a Moleskine is not the target audience for this application. Just like those apps that appeal to people who track their jogging times are not targeted towards me, unless they also have pig fat and whiskey features.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this tool. It looks trendy, but it takes notes. No syncing. I mean, this is the guy that wrote NetNewsWire. Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? I honestly want to find something new that the app does that is supposed to change my workflow, but there is just nothing. A cynical part of me feels like this exists (especially with the $5 price tag) just to ride the…

I feel your pain. The truth about getting publicity for apps on major blogs is: you wont get publicity for your app, unless...

- it is visually novel or has some cute gimmick

- there is some story about the people behind the app (already have an audience)

- there is some story/narrative that is only tangentially related to the actual quality of the app

- a massive game changer (incremental improvements aren't going to cut it). Massive game changers dont happen often, and your app most likely isnt one even if it has features that other apps dont.

I've decided to forgo spending much time trying to get major blog/tech site coverage for my apps. It's a wash now - better to build your own audience and market in other ways.

Feel free to email me if you wish to discuss this: krishna @ logiccolony dot com

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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post #31
post #4

Well, that explains why he linked to that "A $5 app isn't expensive" post from Daring Fireball yesterday. http://www.macworld.com/article/2032847/a-5-app-isnt-expensi...

Or, it's the other way around, and the pricing philosophy he's had all along influenced his decision on how to price this: http://daringfireball.net/2006/11/pinprick (Where by "or" I mean "no").

I'm saying it's not a coincidence he linked to that two month old article the day before he released a $5 app. Prime the pump, in a sense.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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post #21

It appears to me by purchasing this app, you are trading the features of existing products for a slick design. I'm particularly impressed with how they have spun the lack of features as a feature ("simple and elegant", "imposes no system") For me, inability to coexist with Notational Velocity is a dealbreaker.

Suggested reading: http://fireballwatching.tumblr.com/post/48771295667/gruber-s...

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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Bought it and played around with it a bit. Very nice interface. The app has a very nice initial feel. However besides the ability to send an email or text, the data appears to only stay the app. There is no DropBox or other syncing options. So it will not replace SimpleNote/nvAlt for me. Interesting, I expected this to support Markdown. But I do like the simple and automated formatting that is provided.

The fact, that they named the app after the First Bond Girl could indicate that this is a first of group of apps. So maybe the sync'ing features will be coming in later releases.

Re: John Gruber and friends launch Vesper note capture app

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I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of this tool. It looks trendy, but it takes notes. No syncing. I mean, this is the guy that wrote NetNewsWire. Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? I honestly want to find something new that the app does that is supposed to change my workflow, but there is just nothing. A cynical part of me feels like this exists (especially with the $5 price tag) just to ride the…

Wouldn't an app like this be doable in a weekend? Paul Graham, I know you can hear me, and I know this is possible because I know a thing or two about the Javascripts, and so I'm telling you now: the site's banner should strobe clown colors for 5 minutes every time news.arc sees this string.

That is pretty unfair to pg and people that don't like clown colors. A browser extension version should only take a couple hours.
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