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Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#31

Seems as though it may require you to upload all G-code or .STL's to Pirate3D's server for printing. Question addressing the issue was just asked in the comments section. IP questions as well as hardware behavior with spotty internet connection both jump up as potential issues in my mind. I would imagine this is for a standardized file preparation & troubleshooting service. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a 3D…

From the last FAQ at the bottom of the page:

Can I print without using the Pirate Cloud? I would like to make prints offline...

Yes you may. We have a backup WiFi printing mode similar to Octoprint which can be used in the event that zombies attack and all servers are destroyed.

That sounds to me like it can indeed be used offline.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, don't eat from 3d printed stuff. The extrusion process creates this wonderful internal maze for bacteria to thrive in. A single use shot glass is probably ok. And, the ceramic prints you can get now are food grade. But any home made abs or pla will inevitably get you sick, because it can't be cleaned.

Throw it in a microwave. That is the way i sanitize my bamboo cutting boards when there are tiny traces of meat inside after tenderizing. If that bacteria have water molecules in them they will be dead. And if they don't - you may be sick but you will get nobel prize in biology anyway.

you can also dip stuff in acetone to smooth it and perhaps enamel it to really seal it up. I imagine there's a bunch of stuff you could do to improve the odds.

However, treating a 3d printed spoon like any old metal spoon adds risk.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#33
I've found that the more over-funded a Kickstarter project is, the higher the probability that delivery of perks and products will be delayed or have problems.

In my experience over the past two years, I've seen a number of projects that I funded where the project creators got bogged down after deciding to add features not originally specified at the time of funding, or continually "tweak" features that then result in delay after delay.

Looking through my backing history, some examples: - Honey Badger BBQ sauce: first run had bacterial problems. Had to send out new batch months later.

- Electricity | The Life Story of NIKOLA TESLA: "Oh, that perk you chose, is out of production, if you want something equivalent to it you'll have to send even more money". Nope.

- L8 SmartLight The SoundLess Speaker: "Ooops, we forgot about CE/FCC certification..."

- NeuroDreamer sleep mask: "Oops, battery problem." Funded July '12, finally shipping June '13?

- Ouya: ETA was March '13, now it's 3 months later and I finally have a tracking number.. we'll see.

- HexBright - funded July '11, delivered Feb. '13.

- IronBuds earbuds: Funded Aug. '11, sent "freebie" 3-piece earbuds Sep. '12, still haven't sent the 6-piece IronBuds originally advertised as rewards.

The projects that I've seen with the quickest "fulfillment" and so forth? Custom sets of playing cards.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#35

Does the market need a cheaper printer, or a better one? I've used 6 types of 3D printers. (Extrusion type, ABS or PLA) 3 from the 'consumer' grade and 3 from the 'pro' grade. Each of the consumer grade printers was an exercise in frustration. All the printers had ugly, clunky software, but the pro printers would almost always make the thing I wanted. The consumer printers I've tried take 3 or 4 failures to get 'set…

    Does the market need a cheaper printer, or a better one?
These are not mutually exclusive; and I'd go so far as to argue that they are necessarily linked. You will not get better printers (within reasonable price reach) without the market growing to increase scales of production, and you won't get that without bringing in more consumers -- which is precisely what the race for cheaper printers does.

This is not the better printer you are looking for, but it is helping to bring about that possibility.

And, minor nitpick:

    All the printers had ugly, clunky software
A huge section of this kickstarter is devoted to showing off their user-friendly software.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#36

From what I understand, margins are pretty good right now for ~$1k+ printers. This however looks looks too polished for the price they are trying to deliver. Reliable wifi connectivity, air filtration, fancy box, mobile apps, cloud software, scale to weigh amount of filament in the hopper... hmmmm. Existing sub $400 printers[see below] havent shipped in mass quantities yet (well, besides the printrbot jr). Whoever ge…

I'm pretty sure that Maki is well-known in the 3D printing community for being a scammer. I'd stay away from the Makibox...

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#37
post #31

Seems as though it may require you to upload all G-code or .STL's to Pirate3D's server for printing. Question addressing the issue was just asked in the comments section. IP questions as well as hardware behavior with spotty internet connection both jump up as potential issues in my mind. I would imagine this is for a standardized file preparation & troubleshooting service. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a 3D…

From the last FAQ at the bottom of the page: Can I print without using the Pirate Cloud? I would like to make prints offline... Yes you may. We have a backup WiFi printing mode similar to Octoprint which can be used in the event that zombies attack and all servers are destroyed. That sounds to me like it can indeed be used offline.

It indeed can be, thanks.

Having to use a backup mode to print something without sending the file to the printer mfg. seems like needing to run a car in a backup mode to drive it without sending your location to the mfg.

I understand a few reasons for wanting to do this, but I don't think it likely to benefit the user.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#38
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post #7

I would order this, but I have already heard about people getting ripped off from kickstarter. I know that most of these people actually deliver what they are supposed to on their end, but one bad apple can cause hesitation when it comes to my hard earned cash.

I don't buy things from kickstarter in the thousands unless it's a proven name in a business. I often buy things in the hundreds, and have yet to be truly stiffed (although delays are a certainty)

Same here. I generally look at the 'ship dates' on Kickstarter as kind of a moving target with pretty much any project I have yet to encounter there. I have yet to actually NOT get what they promised (eventually).

I would also find it hard to accept paying more than a few hundred for a Kickstarter project. Anything more seems like asking for trouble.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#39
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Pirate3D in comments: "@Usman Glad you asked! What is the minimum printable detail? >> We can get the facial features on printed figurines. Do you have any specific test print in mind? What is minimal wall thickness? >> We use a 0.4mm nozzle. We pjrint our single shell objects at this thickness (0.4mm)." So, 0.4mm min. XY resolution.

not exactly. That's merely the output nozzle diameter. "Resolution" is a bit ambiguous here, but I think it would be fair to differentiate: Movement resolution is 0.1mm, while "dot size" is 0.4mm. You can perfectly well "draw" a 0.6mm long "line", but its minimum width is 0.4mm and you are restricted in prolonging this width by just a tiny bit. "Height" is another matter, since some hobbyist printers sometimes intent…

That's great stuff.

I've always wondered about variation in 'dot' and 'line' resolutions on extrusion-based set-ups, particularly relating to head movement (speed) & environmental conditions.

I've only had experience running (and servicing) an Objet Connex system that uses printing heads & UV curable resin. It used a stainless steel bar w/ a separate motor & cleaning system to 'flatten' each layer w/ each pass of the print head. I've always wondered if there were any FDA equivalents... I guess there is always the option to intentionally 'smear'.

The DIY 3D printing world is totally a trial-and-error art in my mind, as much of making seems to be. I can't imagine the hours that have been spent on fine tuning extrusion settings to produce good prints. I've always been spoiled by prepped systems, but even that lets me appreciate all the aspects that can go wrong.

Re: 3D Printer for less than $400

#40
If price was the only concern, printrbot simple and junior would fly off the shelves. 3d printing seems like it will be important in how some things are made in the future, but anyone getting in now should do it out of interest, not utility.
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