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I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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post #2

So he wears eye protection when using tools, but not when test-firing a homemade AK-47? Idiot.

Obviously you should always always always have eyes and ears on when shooting. That said, an AK is one of the easiest guns to build from a kit and the bolt and barrel are both professionally machined steel, so if it chambers a round it's probably safe to fire. The guy's not completely nuts.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#32
post #21
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy fails because a homebuilt PC without DRM is currently illegal under anti-circumvention laws. EDIT: Obviously the problem is with circumventing the DRM - but in the context of the post I'm responding to (people home building machines with no DRM) I thought I was obvious.

Sources?

Here's the 1996 WIPO wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_Treaty)

Here's the anti circumvention article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention)

The problem is in circumventing the DRM, not just having a machine with no DRM on it. But that's the implication in a dystopian future-story where people home build machines with no DRM.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#33
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This is politically charged linkbait.

Oh? Is it? How would you have preferred to see this reported? Is it just that Mother Jones published it? Is it something he said? Is it the fact that he destroyed the gun afterwards?

> How would you have preferred to see this reported?

What "this"? That somebody built a rifle from a kit is not exactly newsworthy.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#35

This has been legal for a very long time, and is the cause of approximately no violence. Much as with the discussion of 3d printed firearms, it's not so much that the behaviors of gun owners and gun builders has changed as it is that the prevailing discourse in the political arena and the news is different. The author refrains from espousing an opinion in the piece, but only just, and frankly I disagree with him. The…

It disappoints me when magazines like MotherJones don't take the high road which would lead to more balanced coverage but their readership isn't really looking for that road.

I'm still on the fence as to whether the increased discussion is helping or not. On the one hand it opens peoples eyes to what has always been the case, and sometimes that reduces fear but sometimes it increases it.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#36
post #29
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy fails because a homebuilt PC without DRM is currently illegal under anti-circumvention laws. EDIT: Obviously the problem is with circumventing the DRM - but in the context of the post I'm responding to (people home building machines with no DRM) I thought I was obvious.

Say what? What part does my non-homebuilt computer contain that makes it legal, which a DRM-free homebuilt computer would lack, making it illegal?

Read the post I'm replying to.

"Homebuilt PC without DRM" [...] pretend it was written in 2023

The implication is that the machine is built to circumvent DRM, not just to avoid using any DRMd media. Obviously avoiding DRMd media is legal. But using something to circumvent DRM is illegal.

To directly answer your question: Licensed software and permission from rights holders.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#37

Thankfully this is illegal and will remain so in most of the rest of the world. 3% means there are more than 9.4 million assault rifles in US homes. Are they expecting an invasion?

Once I had a roommate that used anti-dandruff shampoo. "But you don't have dandruff," I exclaimed. He replied, "exactly."

(that being said, foreign invasion is probably not a large motivating factor for most civilian gun owners in the US, but your question was rather silly)

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#38
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This is politically charged linkbait.

Oh? Is it? How would you have preferred to see this reported? Is it just that Mother Jones published it? Is it something he said? Is it the fact that he destroyed the gun afterwards?

I'm pro-gun control and I dislike Mother Jones for their rampant editorialization in other articles. That rampant editorialization makes me distrust a lot of this piece: not the facts, but the characterizations of the other "build partigoers" as red-state pastiches (the idea that someone genuinely said "Johnny Law" is a tough pill to swallow), as well as the "Target Demographics" section having no relevance to the article whatsoever besides the fact that both concern firearms.

There's also zero context of how the author got to the build party, etc. From a pure interest standpoint (as opposed to a political one), I wish he would have included that.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

#39

Is this supposed to be a problem? The government does not need to know about our guns, not how many we have, not what sort they are, and not where we keep them.

Actually society would be much better off if the government tracked such devices. A lot of people interested in gun culture have severe inefficiencies in their cognitive abilities. Almost all mass killings are perpetrated by individuals with severe cognitive disabilities or are on some sort of prescription psychoactive. As a prominent role of government is to protect its citizens from danger, the active tracking of mass-killing devices in the hands of these individuals should be a regular role of government.

The situation is completely analogous with automobiles. The government ensures people granted driver's licenses are cognitively capable of safe operation of their vehicle. More importantly, the government tracks vehicles to ensure just compensation for parties injured by the operation of a motor vehicle.

The only reason a similar institution has not been built for firearms is a) gun culture represents a small and decreasing minority of Americans and b) legislative capture by the munitions industry.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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post #34

Thankfully this is illegal and will remain so in most of the rest of the world. 3% means there are more than 9.4 million assault rifles in US homes. Are they expecting an invasion?

They expect their government to fail them.

It already has, repeatedly - but that's totally orthogonal. To imply that gun owners are worried about systematic government oppression that would necessitate an uprising is not an accurate portrayal of conventional wisdom, it's a half-assed attempt at interpreting the Constitution and extrapolating gun ownership rationale. But most gun owners in the US (that I know - and I know quite a few) possess them for hunting, collecting, and sport shooting, in that order.
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