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Re: Cancer and Startups

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I have great empathy for what you're facing. I've lost family members to cancer. It is a very unique form of helplessness in face of calamity. That said, I'm working for a genomics company, part of our mission is to understand each cancer as a unique disease so we can diagnose it correctly, leading to personalized treatment. In my personal opinion IDEs are not the rate-limiting step to curing cancer, and a better one won't meaningfully contribute. This doesn't mean what you're doing is not meaningful though!

Re: Cancer and Startups

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Thank you Chris. This is one of the best posts I have ever read.

I know what that doubt is like. I don't know what helping someone through terminal cancer is like - yet. Thinking of you all.

Re: Cancer and Startups

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> Isn't it my moral duty to do that? No, there is no absolute "moral duty" to anything or anyone. There is a thing called "guilt", that some people try to induce (moral manipulation), when you don't do the things they want you to do. You only duty is to do things that you think are right. > Could I have saved Kristie, or if not her, others like her? Saving her - quite unlikely, unless you manage to find a cure for th…

No, there is no absolute "moral duty" to anything or anyone. That is a very limited understanding of morality. There seems to be many people working on that. Not enough. I would say this is a battle you have By this logic no one should ever work on really hard problems.

>> By this logic no one should ever work on really hard problems.

Maybe the key is that not just anyone should work on really hard problems, if you have an advantage or enough capital then nobody is stopping you. Someone with a PhD in clinical research has a much higher percentage "chance" of succeeding at a difficult medicinal problem than >99.999% of the rest of the population. Maybe the best approach would be to help funnel funds to specific cancer research groups.

If you start with nothing and have the goal of curing cancer, it just isn't going to happen (<0.001% chance of success or even progress).

Re: Cancer and Startups

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Beautifully written. The question of whether my contribution to the world and how meaningful it should be has been in my head for a long, long time. It's not an easy answer. Working on an IDE certainly isn't performing life-saving surgery on someone who's bleeding out, but it does serve its purpose in the world. I used to criticize people working on social apps until I started training in the hospital here and notice…

> Know there is much more to a meaningful life than health

Nicely said. There seems to be a pervasive notion among my classmates (yours too, I bet) that health is the most important value. I think people should and do decide which things they value most, and that top value is not always maximizing every aspect of health. There are tradeoffs to be made. (Otherwise, ahem, nobody would do residency.)

Health, by the way, is a constellation of different, related factors. Even within the overarching concept of "health," people hold these factors in different esteem.

Re: Cancer and Startups

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Best wishes to you and your family at this tough time, Chris. Hang in there.

At the risk of committing a social faux pas, I'd like to inject a little humor into this thread. Please watch this, and hopefully get a good laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzO-_Yl4d0 — Now, in all fairness, by the standards outlined in the video, I don't think the accusation of irrelevance applies to Light Table! After all, it runs on devices which can print...

Re: Cancer and Startups

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Boots on the ground are important. Tools are important. Ancillary tools are important. I've worked with doctors, researchers and software developers. We're all important.

Doctors solve problems that are occurring right now. They save lives right now. They're assisted by nurses, and the guy who resets the sheets on the beds. They're all important.

Tool builders are like nurses, or the guy who resets the sheets. They enable the boots on the ground to do their job better. They're important. I used to build healthcare software. It was focused around making Doctors spend less time filling out forms, so they can spend more time with patients. I have never saved any lives with software, but I've helped other people save lives with software. And in turn, the fine people at Atlassian (JIRA) helped us manage our bug reports, which helped us focus on building better software.

My girlfriend does biomedical research. She has also never saved a life with her work. She probably won't have anything remotely useful out of what she does for decades. But, decades later, she might be a small part in something that makes people slightly more likely to survive cancer. What she does is important.

Are any of these things more important than each other? I don't think so. Doctors and nurses save lives now. Hospital workers and people who build hospital software help make them more efficient. Researchers create understanding that allows whole new avenues of live saving to occur.

It's all important.

Re: Cancer and Startups

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No, there is no absolute "moral duty" to anything or anyone. That is a very limited understanding of morality. There seems to be many people working on that. Not enough. I would say this is a battle you have By this logic no one should ever work on really hard problems.

>> By this logic no one should ever work on really hard problems. Maybe the key is that not just anyone should work on really hard problems, if you have an advantage or enough capital then nobody is stopping you. Someone with a PhD in clinical research has a much higher percentage "chance" of succeeding at a difficult medicinal problem than >99.999% of the rest of the population. Maybe the best approach would be to h…

It gets weirder too. In SF I can make substantially more money working for a random social startup than I can working as a postdoc directly on cancer-curing science. I have the capacity to work on such science at a high level, or a social startup at a pretty moderate level. But society has worked its compensation out such that being a highly trained PhD is far less compensated than someone working on the tech scene.

Re: Cancer and Startups

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Boots on the ground are important. Tools are important. Ancillary tools are important. I've worked with doctors, researchers and software developers. We're all important. Doctors solve problems that are occurring right now . They save lives right now . They're assisted by nurses, and the guy who resets the sheets on the beds. They're all important. Tool builders are like nurses, or the guy who resets the sheets. They…

I don't disagree in principle, but as a fellow biomedical/hacker hybrid I'd like to point out that the notion of doctors and nurses saving lives is probably too simplistic for the purpose of this discussion. I see research as the sole enabling factor for saving lives and healing people in general. It's very important that there are people out there applying our knowledge, but it's also painfully clear that we still have a long, long way to go in giving doctors the tools necessary to actually save a patient from cancer.

We have managed to make some modest gains in life expectancy of cancer patients, but it bears repeating that there is no cure. Modern medicine likes to gloss over the fact that there is no cure for most serious diseases, sometimes the desire to finding a cure can even be ridiculed as "unnatural" by some practitioners. With a few notable exceptions, hospital doctors don't do a lot of scientific research - if they're researching at all it's mostly what I would call engineering research. Not that this isn't important, too, but the potential to actually save lives largely rests in the hands of other people, such as biomedical researchers, but also increasingly computer scientists.

Of course you're right in asserting that without implementers such as doctors and nurses there would be no lives saved. But let's de-emphasize the romantic notion of the life-saving doctor a bit, because scientific advances are really the force that makes all medical treatment possible.

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