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Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

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#31
>It is not necessarily a number to retire, but a number that will give you the financial freedom to do whatever you want.

For how long? If I were to somehow come across 3-5 years salary, I would probably be tempted to quit my job and work on something else for a while.

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#32
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500k is the smallest number I've seen for this calculation. What kind of investment are you thinking?

500k at 7% per year (common number used for the growth of the market as a whole, and thus the average growth of index funds) means $35k/year, not an unreasonable salary to live on.

A 7% average return across 50 years is very different from a 7% return year in, year out, because the former fails to account for generational risk.

You don't have the option of just withdrawing $0 on your "down" years.

p.s. if you can find a risk free 7% return on 500k, open a retirement planning business, become very wealthy.

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#33
I don't really think you need enough so that you never need to work again to consider yourself financially independent. If you have enough to live for a year or two, you can be pretty independent. Yes, you'll have to work and earn some more money, but you aren't dependent on that biweekly paycheck, so you can be somewhat selective, and do whatever you want, within reason.

Also, if you are into minimalism, you can really live on quite a small amount of money, so that can reduce the amount of work you have to do even further.

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#34

To put it into perspective here's Felix Dennis's wealth classification table: £1m-£2m: The comfortable poor £2m-£5m: The comfortably off £5m-£15m: The comfortably wealthy £15m-£40m: The lesser rich £40m-£75m: The comfortably rich £75m-£100m: The rich £100m-£200m: The seriously rich £200m-£400m: The truly rich £400m-£999m: The filthy rich More than £999m: The super rich http://www.businesswings.co.uk/articles/Felix-De…

To be clear, this table is considering those with £1m-£2m in assets to be the poor?

I read his book and if I got it right, he mean the poor rich.

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#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500k at 7% per year (common number used for the growth of the market as a whole, and thus the average growth of index funds) means $35k/year, not an unreasonable salary to live on.

You need to subtract ~3% inflation from that number every year to reach "spending power." Therefore, you're only receiving 20k in spending power and allowing nothing for value appreciation. If you can live on that, more power to you though.

No to mention there's no such thing as low risk 7% returns. Maybe the S&P historically did that for a 15 year period here and there, but anyone telling you it's something you can plan on is either lying or a fool.

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#36

To put it into perspective here's Felix Dennis's wealth classification table: £1m-£2m: The comfortable poor £2m-£5m: The comfortably off £5m-£15m: The comfortably wealthy £15m-£40m: The lesser rich £40m-£75m: The comfortably rich £75m-£100m: The rich £100m-£200m: The seriously rich £200m-£400m: The truly rich £400m-£999m: The filthy rich More than £999m: The super rich http://www.businesswings.co.uk/articles/Felix-De…

What percentage of people have over $1,000,000 worth of wealth? I've lived in NYC all my life and I would guess for most people their biggest source of wealth is nothing or their house, generally worth under a million.

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post #24

Based on the tables in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_raising_a_child for the US. I estimated that the cost of raising 2.5 children for 22 years (up to 18 plus college) as nearly $1.4 million. This may be low balling it if you invest heavily in extra educational and extra-circular activities for your children. So I said between 5-10 million as I would also need some margin for me, my wife and retirement. Howeve…

Nor did you calculate any interest.

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#38
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post #4

500,000 invested intelligently would give you a yield where you could expect a decent income to live upon, so if you are clever enough that should be enough. Plus it would give you the freedom you wish for, plus a little incentive to do "something" as its not a crazy amount of money....

500k is the smallest number I've seen for this calculation. What kind of investment are you thinking?

I actually thought he wrote $5 million and was nodding my head until I saw your comment. Oops!

Pessimistically, I know I can get 1% interest and easily live off $50,000 / year. Obviously, you would hope to invest in a much better vehicle, figure on paying taxes on your investment income, and hope you stay ahead of inflation.

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#39
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the US (expensive east coast). Here, you get average of 1% yield on your bank which is considered high yield btw. So 1% per year before taxes is 100,000. Thats a min. pre-tax that I need. Note that I did not mention anything about investing/markets etc. because those are not guaranteed.

If you ever have a decent amount of money to put away please talk to a reputable financial planner. Also commenting on your "note" that you added on. Investments aren't guaranteed... but putting all that money in a bank isn't guaranteed either. FDIC only insures so much.

I know. I personally suck at investments and I am sure I can do better in general. i feel like I can make money but no idea how to grow it. Def. need financial advising but not quite there yet :).

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#40
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500k is the smallest number I've seen for this calculation. What kind of investment are you thinking?

500k at 7% per year (common number used for the growth of the market as a whole, and thus the average growth of index funds) means $35k/year, not an unreasonable salary to live on.

My family of 4 ( 2 adults, 2 kids) would spend about £24,000 per year, that's Northern Ireland, living fairly well on that too IMHO... I know this because I am fairly analytical about our finances since the two kids arrived, as we had to sacrifice one wage ( stay at home Mom )!
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