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Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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Kind of puts the "sexism in tech" discussion in perspective. These guys make the Mad Men lot sound respectful. Here's a simple way they could deal with that - create a new company (or even just a new department within the company), hire only civilised people, fire anyone who proves to be an uncivilised jerk, and slowly grow that department/company to take over the company/industry because it's not full of retards...

> hire only civilised people, fire anyone who proves to be an uncivilised jerk ... because it's not full of retards...

Complaining about sexism then using "retards" as a pejorative is just too ironic.

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Men do not typically fear sexual violence from each other. Women do not typically fear sexual violence from men either. Any woman I've ever asked "Do you really live in constant fear from rape as the internet activists suggest" has answered with "Not really, unless I'm going down a dark alley alone at night it doesn't really cross my mind" But y'know, going down a dark alley alone at night, I'm pretty damn on guard…

> For the record: I have always felt americans (and anglosaxons in general) are orders of magnitude more afraid of the world than any other people I've ever spoken to. Men and women alike. You should qualify that by where you live. There are dangerous places and there are safer places. America is a bit more dangerous in many places than Europe. I wouldn't let my wife walk alone at any time in India these days but I h…

"America is a bit more dangerous in many places than Europe."

I'd be surprised if the most violent places and times in the US were really that different to the most violent places and times in Europe. However, what I suspect is different is where and when violence is likely to occur.

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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I will probably get shunned to death for asking this, but I must ask. The described behaviour of men in the article is pretty damn sexist, true. But how is it any different from how men in groups behave towards one another? Just replace all the sexist jokes with gay jokes or sissy jokes or just about any other type of jokes men direct at one another to establish pecking orders within groups. Reading this, it doesn't…

I don't know what sort of places you've worked, but I've never experienced "hazing" at any of my jobs.

And how many blue collar jobs is that?

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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I know this is a little off-topic but I spent a while wondering why the article ("I'm not scared of you any more") bore no resemblance to the title ("Too fit for the role").

Turns out I dismissed the popup window automatically because 100% of popup windows are trying to sell social media experience extravaganzas and must be removed to see the actual content.

Turns out this blogging software shows its main content as a superimposed popup/lightbox thing.

So, if you end up reading the wrong article, perhaps you clicked close on the popup before it loaded.

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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post #5

Kind of puts the "sexism in tech" discussion in perspective. These guys make the Mad Men lot sound respectful. Here's a simple way they could deal with that - create a new company (or even just a new department within the company), hire only civilised people, fire anyone who proves to be an uncivilised jerk, and slowly grow that department/company to take over the company/industry because it's not full of retards...

> hire only civilised people, fire anyone who proves to be an uncivilised jerk ... because it's not full of retards... Complaining about sexism then using "retards" as a pejorative is just too ironic.

That caught me off guard too. I didn't realise anyone used the term anymore.

Maybe the OP used it to make a point?

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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You are a sexually attractive woman in a place where sexually attractive women are scarce. In almost any other context you would get substancial benefits for that like more promotions, job opportunities and more invitations to events than the average woman. But we will not see you complaining about that when it happens, don't we?

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Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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Misogyny is, in my experience, a function of the power dynamic in a situation. As an engineer working on site the author is placed in a position of authority, but one with no direct power over the workers that she is encountering on site. She is at the same time both threatening, due to her high status, and powerless, because her influence over the work is indirect.

I find this behavior disgusting but it is, I feel, the answer to the question posed by the author: "But they must leave at some point and see wives/daughters/sisters/mothers/random women in the street.. Is the point less about novelty or even sex, and much more about straightforward intimidation?"

It is pretty much about intimidation and resentment by some and a group dynamic that forces others to play along or ignore the situation. I can't speak to the situation in Britain but in my part of the world I can say that things have improved substantially in the last 15 or so years but there is still a long way to go. Contrary to what anyone might tell you though, it is not a case of "boys will be boys" - the fact of the matter is that the management and foremen can change the culture if they want to, I have seen it happen, someone in charge just needs to have the resolve to say it won't be tolerated and actually act on it.

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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post #29

You are a sexually attractive woman in a place where sexually attractive women are scarce. In almost any other context you would get substancial benefits for that like more promotions, job opportunities and more invitations to events than the average woman. But we will not see you complaining about that when it happens, don't we?

You are rude, offensive, and delusional. Please try to sort out these problems before attempting to contribute to HN.

Re: Female Engineers: Too Fit For The Role

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested in hearing about your experience.

Well there are two. 1. I was out with a group of female friends. Them being 3 to 4 females who have known each other for ages, me being the newcomer. I got the distinct feeling that men are walking penises. (granted they were all in their early twenties) 2. Living with my mum and sister (and female cat). Every day I am reminded that a man is incapable of tying his own shoes without a woman's help. We are these helple…

You seem to be all over this thread saying "oh well this is bad but men also have it equally bad sexism is exaggerated etc etc".

I agree that women can be shitty to men. But men, in general, can be far shittier to women. Being patronised by your female relatives is a completely different league to having sexual abuse shouted at you by strangers (strangers who should be subordinate to your professional expertise).

And yes, I've worked in blue collar jobs (factories, as a cleaner, as a binman), and I too found it hard to fit in with that culture. But I had it nowhere near as bad as this woman did.

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