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Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

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Post by robryan »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7
methodin wrote: post #2

What does the future hold for E-Ink readers? They are far superior for reading but useless in general. I could see myself getting a Kindle in a few months (I have a first-gen Nook) but after that I don't think they will be relevant as tablets continue to advance.

It all depends on where E-ink technology goes. Can they master color? Can they do better on refresh? I haven't heard anything new lately on how e-ink technology is continuing to advance, so I'm wondering if they've hit some kind of snag where they just aren't advancing fast enough to be very relevant outside of the ebook niche.

Personally I don't think color matters too much, are people on there holding out or choosing a table instead of an eink device because of this?

I have a second last generation kindle, the refresh time is fine I think for the primary purpose.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#32

Post by robryan »

apalmer wrote: post #14
transfire wrote: post #4

How does this effect Barnes and Noble?

I wonder, I remember talk that the Nook was the reason that barnes & noble survived when all the other rick and mortar bookshops went out of business due to Amazon. Not sure if its true or not, wouldnt think the Nook was THAT popular.

Wonder if there physical stores business has rebounded a bit now that most of the competition has been knocked out?

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#33

Post by icebraining »

mappu wrote: post #30

> Nook e-readers, meanwhile, do not appear to fall into the discontinuation pile immediately. Rather, they’re projected to have their own gradual, natural decline How is this anything other than Embrace-Extend-Extinguish? And what does microsoft have to gain from paying $1bn for a company (that's running a loss), and then discontinuing their product?

EEE describe embracing standards, extending them with proprietary features and then using those features to drive out the software that implements the actual standard. I don't see how it applies here, even if MS buys the Nook to kill it.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#34

Post by seanmcdirmid »

robryan wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It all depends on where E-ink technology goes. Can they master color? Can they do better on refresh? I haven't heard anything new lately on how e-ink technology is continuing to advance, so I'm wondering if they've hit some kind of snag where they just aren't advancing fast enough to be very relevant outside of the ebook niche.

Personally I don't think color matters too much, are people on there holding out or choosing a table instead of an eink device because of this? I have a second last generation kindle, the refresh time is fine I think for the primary purpose.

The current market where e-ink does well (kindles and other e book readers) I think is too limited to make e-ink very compelling.

Tablets are one place where we would love to see e-ink solutions (with color and a bit better refresh). Or consider e-ink wallpaper. The possibilities are many, but the tech needs to break out of its rut before its too late.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#35

Post by throwawaykf1 »

shmerl wrote: post #20

This must be the money that MS bribed B&N with, after they they realized that their patent litigation against B&N was falling apart, and it could threaten their protection racket against other Android vendors. I guess B&N didn't have guts to reject the bribe and to fight against the troll to the end.

Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. Here's another way to look at it:

Amazon spends many billions and almost a decade creating a real e-book market. Apple spends many billions and almost a decade building the first "modern" tablet, and leverage their tablet dominance to create the first real competitor to Amazon's ebook monopsony. Along the way they fight off an antitrust lawsuit. Google spends billions and many years building specialized scanning infrastructure to scan every dead tree book in existence so they can index them. Along the way they fight off a lawsuit from the Authors Guild. And I'm still not sure if they have significant monetization from that.

Microsoft, which has NO ebook story for their struggling mobile ecosystem, swoops in and suddenly becomes a player in the ebook market for 1.3 billion in one year.

And people like you, mtgx and rbannfy think this means MS patents were weak. Why don't you think about how much this was really worth to Microsoft and how much they actually paid for it? That might lead you to adjust your views about various aspects of "M$" besides just their patents, but I won't hold my breath.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#36

Post by rbanffy »

throwawaykf1 wrote: post #35
shmerl wrote: post #20

This must be the money that MS bribed B&N with, after they they realized that their patent litigation against B&N was falling apart, and it could threaten their protection racket against other Android vendors. I guess B&N didn't have guts to reject the bribe and to fight against the troll to the end.

Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. Here's another way to look at it: Amazon spends many billions and almost a decade creating a real e-book market. Apple spends many billions and almost a decade building the first "modern" tablet, and leverage their tablet dominance to create the first real competitor to Amazon's ebook monopsony. Along the way they fight off an antitrust lawsuit. Google spends billions and…

> throwawaykf1 (...) Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid.

And anonymity makes them brave.

No. Not really.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#37

Post by throwawaykf1 »

rbanffy wrote: post #36
throwawaykf1 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. Here's another way to look at it: Amazon spends many billions and almost a decade creating a real e-book market. Apple spends many billions and almost a decade building the first "modern" tablet, and leverage their tablet dominance to create the first real competitor to Amazon's ebook monopsony. Along the way they fight off an antitrust lawsuit. Google spends billions and…

> throwawaykf1 (...) Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. And anonymity makes them brave. No. Not really.

Way to address the points. Ad homs and downvotes are the only recourse you have left, I suppose.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#38

Post by shmerl »

throwawaykf1 wrote: post #35
shmerl wrote: post #20

This must be the money that MS bribed B&N with, after they they realized that their patent litigation against B&N was falling apart, and it could threaten their protection racket against other Android vendors. I guess B&N didn't have guts to reject the bribe and to fight against the troll to the end.

Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. Here's another way to look at it: Amazon spends many billions and almost a decade creating a real e-book market. Apple spends many billions and almost a decade building the first "modern" tablet, and leverage their tablet dominance to create the first real competitor to Amazon's ebook monopsony. Along the way they fight off an antitrust lawsuit. Google spends billions and…

M$ ruined their reputation for good, so much that all their actions look questionable by default. To be honest they never even tried to restore it, and it doesn't look like they care. They continue their racket with brazen conceit, and there is no one to blame except themselves, that they lost the benefit of a doubt.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#39

Post by rbanffy »

throwawaykf1 wrote: post #37
rbanffy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> throwawaykf1 (...) Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid. And anonymity makes them brave. No. Not really.

Way to address the points. Ad homs and downvotes are the only recourse you have left, I suppose.

Throwaway anonymous accounts are unusually resistant to ad hominem attacks. As frivolous as it may be, let's destroy your arguments one by one:

> Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid

There is no research about that, but I'll agree hatred may cloud your judgement. In this case, however, the relationship between B&N and Microsoft is very suspicious - Microsoft tried to extort B&N who, in turn, threatened to disclose the patent list and then, miraculously, they became a strategic partner, Microsoft paid them US$300M, and the list was forgotten.

> Microsoft, which has NO ebook story for their struggling mobile ecosystem, swoops in and suddenly becomes a player in the ebook market for 1.3 billion in one year.

Something that makes very little sense. Microsoft's focus should be in preventing the erosion of their software ecosystem - once its share drops below a certain point and network effects stop being relevant, it's hockey stick all the way to the bottom. Having a failing e-book distribution deal that is not attached to Windows does not help that. And attaching it to Windows will only make it irrelevant.

> And people like you, mtgx and rbannfy think this means MS patents were weak.

Addressed in the first point.

Re: Microsoft Mulling Nook Media LLC Purchase For $1 Billion

#40

Post by throwawaykf1 »

rbanffy wrote: post #39
throwawaykf1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way to address the points. Ad homs and downvotes are the only recourse you have left, I suppose.

Throwaway anonymous accounts are unusually resistant to ad hominem attacks. As frivolous as it may be, let's destroy your arguments one by one: > Wow, the MS hate really turns people stupid There is no research about that, but I'll agree hatred may cloud your judgement. In this case, however, the relationship between B&N and Microsoft is very suspicious - Microsoft tried to extort B&N who, in turn, threatened to disc…

You realize all of Microsoft's patents are public, right? That's the deal with patents: you publish them in order to get a temporary monopoly. There is little significant data that B&N could threaten to "disclose" that you couldn't find by doing an assignee search on the USPTO website. They may have patents assigned to shell companies, IV-style, but their negotiation power comes from having a very visible humongous portfolio, and using shell companies would just make it less visible.

Maybe B&N could "disclose" what patents MS is licensing related to Android, but you could make a good guess of those too by filtering the previous list of patents for keywords related to mobile and operating systems.

B&N had jack squat on MS in this lawsuit, which is why they made a big noise about antitrust, which of course went nowhere. I suspect you've been getting your info from Groklaw, which could explain a lot of misconceptions around here.

> Something that makes very little sense.

How does a content deal not make sense in today's world? It is exactly to prevent the "erosion" of their ecosystem. The ecosystem today is so much more than PCs. They don't want people to go somewhere else (like, say, iTunes or Amazon) to get their content, because that's a very strong lure to join another ecosystem. Every major player is out there making content deals to tie into their ecosystem, and MS is right up there with them... Except ebooks was the glaring hole in their content story. And it's not going to be attached to just Windows, but to their phone, tablet and cloud offerings too.

As to the strength of their patents, you just gotta look at who is getting injunctions and who is getting paid in the "smartphone wars". Nobody's getting any lasting injunctions, but MS has been getting paid all over. (OK, Apple got that one big win over Samsung, but it's still up in the air.)

Just for some disclosure, I've been tangentially involved in patent licensing efforts for a small firm. It is very, very difficult to get any licensing from big firms, who would prefer to role the dice in court if there's the slightest chance they can win or out-lawyer you. Given that, I find it impressive how many royalty-bearing licenses MS has managed to get in the past few years. Including, of all things, Foxconn.

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