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Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by mindjiver »

HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

Here in Sweden you get 16 months to split between the parents. It amazes me how crappy the benefits are in even the most "progressive" Bay Area companies, like Facebook trying to recruit with "25 vacation days", makes me laugh.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by bluthru »

jerf wrote: post #19
bluthru wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that different paternity/maternity times makes employers view women as more hazardous. This also reinforces the sexist notion that fathers aren't as integral to early childhood development. I'm sure a new mother would love the extra help for another 8 weeks! Also, lets say that you're a child adopted by a homosexual married couple and you only get 8 weeks. How is that fair to the adopted child versus 1…

The point at which your politics leads you to claim that sex (in this case we rather aren't talking gender, but actual sex) experiences in childbirth should be treated precisely equally is the point at which you need to sit down with your politics and have a long, heartfelt discussion vis a vis your politics' connection to reality. Some recognition of the differences in experience and particularly in consequences are…

Let me reiterate my point: If those differences exist to companies (different amounts of time off), then companies have a reason to prefer one sex over the other.

Childbirth is not an injury. Childbirth is literally essential for society. Whatever extra profit that can be squeezed out of a new dad is meaningless next to the importance of equality and assistance to the new mother. Somehow I think our GDP will be ok.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by bluthru »

macspoofing wrote: post #13
bluthru wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that different paternity/maternity times makes employers view women as more hazardous. This also reinforces the sexist notion that fathers aren't as integral to early childhood development. I'm sure a new mother would love the extra help for another 8 weeks! Also, lets say that you're a child adopted by a homosexual married couple and you only get 8 weeks. How is that fair to the adopted child versus 1…

>Equality means treating people equally--including men and children All things aren't equal in this case. Child birth can be incredibly taxing on a woman's body. Some women would need more time to recover.

Wouldn't that woman want her husband around to help her recover then?

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by ben1040 »

john_b wrote: post #4

Is anyone aware of how the courts have interpreted things like this (if at all)? > "Under the new policy, mothers can take 16 weeks of paid leave with benefits, and fathers can take up to eight weeks" Would that not be considered discriminatory?

If it was anything like when my child was born, my wife's company gives a base 8 weeks of parental leave to both men and women.

The extra 8 was paid for by the company's short term disability insurance policy, for a total of 16 weeks. Childbirth was deemed sufficient to trigger short term disability.

I imagine that's what happened here.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by jroseattle »

It's really hard for me to see this as something other than reactionary to all the criticism after the WFH policy fiasco. I think it's great for those who are expecting, but this feels like trying to save face.

After one year, I expected more in terms of results from Yahoo under Mayer's tenure. I'm not as close to it, but I just didn't see benefit and work policies as the difference between success and failure in the marketplace for Yahoo.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by dagw »

timjahn wrote: post #27
HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

>> These are important and formative weeks during your child and family's development. A couple of my friends just had a baby, and I can see how much they cherish every moment they spend with him. This cannot be overstated. The first few moments/hours/days/weeks/months of your child's life (especially your first) are insanely awesome/frightening/joyous/exciting/sleep-depriving/stressful/fun/inspiring/just-freaking-co…

I was 'lucky' enough to find myself unemployed when my daughter was born and ended up putting off getting a new job for the first three month. It was amazing. If I get another kid I'm definitely staying home for at least the first 8 weeks, and one way or the other my employer and I will have to come to some sort of agreement.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by hmottestad »

HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

Move to Norway :)

With 100% (ish) pay you get 47 weeks total, with 80% you get 57 weeks. 9 weeks are reserved for the mother and 14 weeks (or it might be 12) are reserved for the father.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by rayiner »

HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

My wife and I had a baby last year (she's 5 months now), and I can't imagine being away from work for 37 weeks. My wife is an involuntary housewife for almost a year (she graduated early and her work doesn't start till the fall), and while she appreciates the opportunity to spend time with the baby, I'm pretty sure she'd say you can have too much of a good thing. I love my daughter to bits, but let's be realistic--she's not 18 hours a day worth of "magical"...

That said, good parental leave benefits are great for a different reason: very young children are a pain in the ass to take care of, which means that daycare providers charge a lot more until they're older.

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Post by gertef »

HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

That seems... exploitative if you don't pay taxes in Canada.

Re: Yahoo Expands Maternity, Paternity Leave

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Post by gertef »

HorizonXP wrote: post #22

To be honest, this is exactly why I do not plan on starting a family in the Bay Area, and instead, will return back to Toronto. http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.... http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/types/maternity_parent... Basically, in Ontario, mothers are eligible for 17 weeks of pregnancy leave. After giving birth, both parents are eligible for up to 37 weeks of parental leave. Thi…

> A couple of my friends just had a baby, and I can see how much they cherish every moment they spend with him.

No way. "Just" had baby, parents are barely surviving, often depressed. Cherish comes months later.

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