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Busyness is Not a Virtue

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Re: Busyness is Not a Virtue

#31
If you're working at a big company you're almost required to be busy. In fact you're looked down upon if you're not busy enough. How many times have you ran into co-workers only to do a little smalltalk? You talk about the projects you're working on and how slammed you are with work.

Being busy at the workplace is a way to seem important. You might run into someone at the cafe and say hey we should catch up. Well, why wouldn't you just catch up right then and there? That would be the most efficient route. You're both already together in the same place at the same time. Do you really need to rush back to your desk to do some more busy work?

Re: Busyness is Not a Virtue

#32
I love that you quoted the Phantom Tollbooth.

"If you only do the easy and useless jobs, you’ll never have to worry about the important ones which are so difficult."

That's the organizing hierarchy I use to schedule my day. Doing the most important thing first means I feel a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day, no matter what else I did not get through. It works better than "I'll do this one thing real quick" or the easiest/hardest first, or even the one that is due the soonest.

Re: Busyness is Not a Virtue

#33
This is a fine article if you already believe that busyness is bad. The trouble is that busy people are, by definition, people who think being busy is a feature not a bug.

For example, we can spin the wheel and play bug-or-feature:

> And when you start sounding like an appliance, it makes it hard to connect with you.

Bug or feature? Depends on your personality, depends on who's connecting with you.

> This is one of the easiest outs for stuff I don’t want to do.

Bug or feature?

Another sentiment I see in TFA and the comments is that saying "I'm busy" is a euphemism for "I don't care about you" so people shouldn't say it. But this analysis assumes that the heaviest rock is for a person not to be rude. I suspect that in many cases that if you remove the method for a polite brush-off, you could get an impolite brush-off instead. Nothing has been done to address the underlying motivation behind saying "I'm busy".

If you find yourself in the author's shoes being frustrated by how other people are too busy for you, I might recommend reading some sales books and figuring out how to make proposals that are more agreeable to others. Writing a blog post about how other people need to change will not help you solve that problem.

Re: Busyness is Not a Virtue

#34
This is just incredibly presumptuous. "Here's what you probably mean when you say something." Thanks for that input, but I think I'll decide what I mean when I speak.

Sure, some people sometimes use "I'm busy" as an excuse, or as something to brag about, or for any number of other purposes. People say all sorts of things for those same reasons, though.

"I have plans."

"The cable guy is coming out that day."

"I just got a promotion."

"We just got a new dog."

All of these things, just like "I'm busy," can be used and are used as lies in addition to actually being valid excuses. I'm not sure where the author got the idea this is somehow insightful or informative, or even remotely unique to one claim.

Re: Busyness is Not a Virtue

#35
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, many coders are smart enough to figure out that the solution to an O(n^2) algorithm is typically not more CPU cycles but changing to an O(n*log n) algorithm (or what-have-you). Yet they often refuse to make the same observations when it comes to their own productivity, they just throw more cycles at the same algorithms and expect that to be the optimal solution.

I wonder about that kind of argument. I find it super appealing because I would love to work a lot less and yet get more done. Unfortunately I've found that if I work more, I do get more done. Granted, there's a time for stepping back and thinking about a problem rather than continuing to brute force your way through it. And you can get to a point where you spin your wheels and it's better to stop. But generally, mor…

I find that it can be really difficult to measure productivity some times, especially when long hours are involved. If I work 2x hours and I get stuff done all throughout that time (beginning, middle, and end) then I'll tend to think all of those hours were well spent. But when I spend the time and effort to really look at productivity I find that typically spending more hours only produces the illusion of greater productivity. Often times I'll easily forget the downsides of working more hours, such as poorer quality of work, less focus and ability to concentrate, more down time between periods of work, greater likelihood of being OK with partial or inferior solutions, etc.

Over time I've come to the conclusion that except for "it's broken, and time is money" or "I've found inspiration at midnight" situations it's pretty much never a good idea to consistently work long hours on software projects. It's better to work smarter and more efficiently and to have the resources available to do big refactoring / redesign / performance improvement projects when necessary than to just work flat out and always be in an "ok, that's good enough, moving on" state of mind.

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