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Smart TVs are dumb

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Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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A Samsung Smart TV is similar. I have often ranted aloud to my television about hardware developers considering Single Responsibility when designing. Most of the time I just need my screen to be a screen.

Those things are hilarious. I've never used a clunkier, slower video interface than on a SmartTV.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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It's time for Apple to step in and show everyone how it's done. Of course, once this happens, a lot of people will develop selective amnesia, as it happened with phones.

Eh, I was just trying my friend's apple tv with my macbook pro and was quite disappointed with the lag and sheer poor quality of the experience combined with the remote intermittently working with the tv and/or the macbook pro. Personally, I think the x360 nailed it with its simplicity of accessing netflix youtube in decent speed. Though I would complain about the controller input when it comes down to typing any phrase, the interface for that is awfully slow. Other then that, perfect IMO.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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I once worked on a project that had large hardware and software components. The project was clearly lead by the hardware team - historically the company was a hardware company. At weekly status meetings we would spend 55 minutes talking about the hardware, then there would be 5 minutes for the software. I don't believe that this has to be inevitable, but I do believe that you can tell whether this is happening by sim…

Yeah, this is what I suspect meetings about this product line were like too. Everyone's talking about the hardware, and everyone is pissed off what what the "software guys" want the hardware to do. "We have to support what?" "With how much memory?!" etc.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of TVs that are doing it right. Apple doesn't need to "show everyone how it's done". This particular example is of one manufacturer messing up one product line.

>There are tons of TVs that are doing it right. Like .... ?

About the smartness aspect of it: You have set top boxes like Roku which are designed well. Hell my PS3 is fairly easy to use. The previous generation of the LG smart TVs were also pretty good without having to deal with the gestures.

As for dealing with switching the inputs, many older TVs and computer monitors come with a simple enough mechanism to switch between various inputs. This particular article may be about regression in the UI.

There is nothing "new" Apple can do here. If they end up doing something it will not be not that far off from existing and very functional UIs.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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post #30

Why would anyone need a "smart TV"? I can use the internet better with my laptop. Everyone already has a personal computer, whether it's a laptop or a tablet. The usability is always worse. The only way it's useful to show the internet through a television is to transmit the image from a computer to the television. That's what I and my friends do.

Built-in streaming apps. No screwing with a second remote, or another device like an Apple/WD TV. Those are 'better' but a Smart TV is simpler.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of TVs that are doing it right. Apple doesn't need to "show everyone how it's done". This particular example is of one manufacturer messing up one product line.

>There are tons of TVs that are doing it right. Like .... ?

Samsung's smart tv was a fantastic experience for me personally -- in fact it made me regret I hadn't bought a TV sooner. UN55F6300 was the model we had (and, after ~6 months parted ways with to go back to our ipad) and enjoyed every minute of it.

There were some caveats like the keyboard on the remote not working inside some 3rd party apps. that the TV allowed you to install.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of TVs that are doing it right. Apple doesn't need to "show everyone how it's done". This particular example is of one manufacturer messing up one product line.

It's unfortunately endemic to the whole industry. My "smart" TV is a Vizio. Really I wish TV manufacturers would offer "monitors" (screens without TV tuners). If one manufacturer goes this way, people who only want a screen for e.g. their Roku might buy that one instead.

I'm not sure what you're looking for exactly, just buy a monitor. We do Smart TV app development across a variety of platforms (Smart TV's, Rokus, Xbox) and the vast majority of this development is done on off the shelf 24" Monitor's with HDMI inputs. We joke all the time that the cheapest TVs are in the monitor aisle. (This is only true to a certain size however)

I should note the LG TVs in the OP are actually great test machines too...

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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I don't have a smart tv per se, but my TV does have a USB port, ostensibly to play back video, music, and pictures or something, all three of which it pretty much completely fails at if anything is the least bit atypical. Though it does mostly work with the pictures. I'm not sure why they even bothered. Of course it wasn't even a smart TV and it took me ages to figure out that I needed to enable 'gaming' mode to make…

Very few TVs use IPS, since IPS tends to have worse black levels and pixel response time than PVA/MVA (alternatively: it's more expensive to get equivalent specs out of IPS), which are the two specs that TV reviewers care about (black level in particular is the absolute king). IPS's strengths, viewing angles and especially color accuracy, are nowhere near as important to the reviewers, and also not as rigorously measured. And being color accurate is actually considered a detriment in showrooms.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

#39
I have a Sony Bravia which causes me rage on a weekly basis. It's nice to have YouTube, Hulu+, Netflix, Amazon, Pandora, and other streaming built in. You can show someone a video without monkeying around with a laptop or video cables.

Along with the big names there are a bunch of also-ran streaming apps with very little content. There's also things like a Facebook app but I have never tried to use it.

So what's the problem? The TV has to 'boot', like in the article. For the first 30 seconds after it's powered on, you can barely change the channels or volume. The interface will sometimes become unresponsive requiring a hard power off, or the TV will lock and reset itself completely. If you do a firmware update, which happens quite a bit, sometimes you have to re-enter all your account information for all your services.

Sometimes you have to quit and re-start viewing content to get the audio to sync up right. But the one thing that angers me the most about streaming content: you bump any button on the remote, and you exit back to the regular TV channels. It doesn't even have the sense to ask, "Are you sure you want to exit Netflix?". You can hit the home button, the volume buttons, and pause/fast forward. You even accidentally bump some other button, and bam. You're back navigating the glacially slow interface with a TV remote.

Re: Smart TVs are dumb

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LG has a remote control iOS app for its smart TVs that pairs via wifi. This gives slightly easier menu access and control over the cursor. The biggest WTF is for text entry. Instead of being able to use the iPad virtual keyboard, the keyboard in on the TV. You have to move the cursor over the desired letter and tap. Horrible.
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