If that were true, wouldn't this post be censored too? It's not, so it's not true.
Gawker.com and Deadspin are banned from HN? I don't mind that at all.
Hacker News is actively censoring links to Arrington story.
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#32I'm fairly sure Gawker.com links are auto-killed. That's the issue here, that no one other than Gawker is covering the story.
Same with BuzzFeed.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the whole "donglegate" story didn't go against that same stance?
Many of the donglegate stories were flagged off the front page. That story was broader, involving behaviours at tech conventions, responses to that behaviour, Internet bullying and mobs, etc. Donglegate was still lousy for HN. Most threads had little useful discussion, a lot of entrenched opinion, and a lot of heat. ("shallowly, but intensely, interesting"). This? This is nothing useful.
100% agree. That story had too much crap being thrown around. On the other hand, this is a serious issue/story involving a very influential person in SV, tech-media and tech-investing. It shouldn't be ignored that easily.
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#34I have no problems with censoring in this case. These are pretty serious allegations. But they are just that: allegations reported to a blog(not a court of law or cops). The alleged victim should file an official complaint or take other official steps. Purely on what has been shared so far, Arrington stands innocent in my book.
Absent of her going to the cops, I think allowing allegations of this nature to surface on HN set a poor precedent when unaccompanied by appropriate legal complaint.
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#35I doubt it was censored. Stuff just gets flagged by users, and personal allegations tend to among flagged stories. But I'm curious if HN really shows different stories when logged in and logged out, which is what this particular post is alleging. I've never noticed that happen, but maybe I just didn't notice.
(This comment is not aimed at you, but at newer users who are not aware of HN's banning system for users.)
Some people are hellbanned. They post a link. They can see the link. They log out. They cannot see any of their posts. That's not because that URL is banned, but because none of their posts are visible unless a logged in user has 'showdead' turned on in their profile.
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#36Betabeat is the only other news site that has covered it, and it's mostly covered it by recapping Gawker's reporting. Someone submitted a link to a BetaBeat before but it was flagged off: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5492145 Most controversies related to personal conflicts and allegations are usually flagged, not just in this particular case (many of the Adria Richards-related submissions, for example). I wou…
And the whole "donglegate" story didn't go against that same stance?
There's obviously no clear litmus test here...so I don't think the editorial decision is an easy one. In the Adria Richards case, HN mods couldn't ban all the submissions, nor would it be in their best interests to do so, because that controversy raised tech-related issues worth discussing.
Anyway, I don't know what the best mix of discretion and freedom is...but HN would lose some of its allure if its policy was: "Only allow links that are explicitly technical/entrepreneurial in nature" Because how many times do hackers need to learn that success in life and business is sometimes (or, rather, often) not based just on technical merit?
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#37I doubt it was censored. Stuff just gets flagged by users, and personal allegations tend to among flagged stories. But I'm curious if HN really shows different stories when logged in and logged out, which is what this particular post is alleging. I've never noticed that happen, but maybe I just didn't notice.
(This comment is not aimed at you, but at newer users who are not aware of HN's banning system for users.) Some people are hellbanned. They post a link. They can see the link. They log out. They cannot see any of their posts. That's not because that URL is banned, but because none of their posts are visible unless a logged in user has 'showdead' turned on in their profile.
Ah! Makes sense. And explains why I never would have seen it happen! :-)
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#38i find it interesting that some users on here think stories are being censored; it happens about once or twice a month. why? i believe paul graham and any moderators know full well the damaging effects censorship has on a community. why do some of you guys or gals constantly think there is some conspiracy?
When there reports that Adria had been fired, stories about it were actively removed because it wasn't yet clear whether it was true or a hoax. So it's already a given that censorship of some type takes place.
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#39Betabeat is the only other news site that has covered it, and it's mostly covered it by recapping Gawker's reporting. Someone submitted a link to a BetaBeat before but it was flagged off: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5492145 Most controversies related to personal conflicts and allegations are usually flagged, not just in this particular case (many of the Adria Richards-related submissions, for example). I wou…
Yeah but not all of them because that's how most people found out about that PyCon shit...
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#40No we're not. Gawker has been banned for years.