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Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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I'm noticing that there have been a whole lot of discussions/articles on HN recently relating to ADD/ADHD. Do a significant amount of founders have this disorder? I'm wondering what's the explanation here.

Note: This is a response to clicks's comment, not to the linked article. I'm not going to comment about OP, but I will say I've noticed that, in the majority of these posts, the person is self-diagnosed and has received no psychiatric evaluation whatsoever. A significant number of founders may have "ADD"[0] in that they have trouble focusing, etc. This is like self-diagnosing depression based on the fact that they "f…

Similar to how many pilots claim to have OCD and how that helps them be a good pilot - but if it were actually medically diagnosed, the FAA would clip their wings.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: This is a response to clicks's comment, not to the linked article. I'm not going to comment about OP, but I will say I've noticed that, in the majority of these posts, the person is self-diagnosed and has received no psychiatric evaluation whatsoever. A significant number of founders may have "ADD"[0] in that they have trouble focusing, etc. This is like self-diagnosing depression based on the fact that they "f…

In my case, I've gone through a pretty extensive battery of tests with two separate behavioral psychologists that go beyond self-evaluation or those (largely nonsensical) questionnaires that primary care physicians have you fill out. But I agree with what you're saying. There are folks out there who've made claims to being ADD without being officially diagnosed, some in startup spaces. To be fair though, it can be di…

> In my case, I've gone through a pretty extensive battery of tests with two separate behavioral psychologists that go beyond self-evaluation or those (largely nonsensical) questionnaires that primary care physicians have you fill out. But I agree with what you're saying. There are folks out there who've made claims to being ADD without being officially diagnosed, some in startup spaces.

Exactly - I literally just had this discussion here yesterday (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5475037). ADHD is incredibly tough (read: expensive) to diagnose properly, and almost impossible to self-diagnose with any appreciable degree of confidence.

My frustration comes from the fact that people first misdiagnose themselves or their kids, or diagnose themselves through inappropriate tests, which then leads people to conclude that ADHD doesn't really exist (see randallsquared's reply).

In other words, "our [cheap] classifier model is incapable of making accurate predictions reliably; therefore the latent variable we're predicting must be imaginary", instead of "our [cheap] classifiers are incapable of making accurate predictions reliably; therefore those diagnostic models are inadequate".

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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As somebody who has ADHD (Please start using the correct acronym.) I feel it is my obligation to make it absolutely clear to everyone that there is nothing beneficial about ADHD. If we are successful with ADHD, then we would only be more successful if we didnt have ADHD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQu-OPrzUc

@mortdeus - I'm not saying for a moment I wouldn't prefer more concentration. I would also prefer to be 6" taller, have 20 more points on my IQ, and be attractive to women. But life gives you what it gives you.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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"So the first thing I do when I wake up is make chocolate Pop-Tarts (I eat like a 10 year old)"

As someone that has always struggled with ADD, I can tell you that sugar makes it 100x worse. Since I went on a strict Paleo diet (and especially recently when I've cut out alcohol), my baseline clarity and ability to focus my thoughts have improved immensely. I would recommend trying the Paleo diet for a month and seeing what kind of affect it has on you.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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TL;DR I have ADHD and it made me a better person

I was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. I received many different types of drugs and treatments that, IMO, didn't work. I barely passed the 3rd grade, failed the 6th grade and dropped out of school when I was a junior.

I was also a gifted artist, like my father, I could draw anything. I wasn't fantastic but it came easily to me. At 16 I picked up the guitar and quickly learned how to play and was proficient after a month.

These experiences made me question why I was good in some areas but failed in others. By the time I was 19 I gave up ALL drugs I was taking for ADHD and started my own treatment of "taking responsibility for my life."

This was the hardest thing I ever had done. At that time I was reading at a 6th grade level and has no prospects for jobs. I went to live with my grandparents and received the best education of my life. Discipline. They were farmers.

After 2 months I knew I had to leave and make a life for myself. I was scared and afraid but I had started reading self-help books and when tested again at the department of vocational rehabilitation I was reading 4-5 years ahead of my current age. My spatial skills were off the charts (their words).

I knew I had something special about myself that I could work with. I knew that if I worked hard I could do anything even if it took me longer to accomplish it I could do it.

I started by working my way up a janitorial company. I learned spanish in 6 months using Neuro Linguistic Programming techniques. I met my future wife and got married. I started putting computers together for the purpose of playing video games. I loved it. I was good at it. I eventually worked as a tech for a big box store and then worked in IT at a large insurance company when I found out I was going to be a father.

I learned everything I could about Active Directory. I then learned Perl as my first programming language and automated most of my job. I then started making games at home and learning as many languages as possible. I felt unstoppable.

Then my wife and I were having problems. Not huge problems but enough to get help. We sought counseling and happened to meet with a woman who studied ADHD as a specialty during her phD. Within 1 hour she said to me, "You know you have ADHD right?"

My heart sank. All those years of failure came rushing back to me. I thought it was crap. A ruse. A mis-diagnosis. How could I have accomplished so much. How could I have gone back to college and graduated with a 4.0 for my associates in comp sci and 3.8 for my bachelors. How could I learn all those languages and read over 500 books.

I had to come to grips with the fact that I still had it. But I made it work for me and it was unfortunately affecting my relationship with my wife. We were able to come to an understanding about who I am and accepting the way I think.

Now, I make games for iOS fulltime. From home. ADHD isn't a death sentence. It's only a disorder if it's making your life harder.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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"So the first thing I do when I wake up is make chocolate Pop-Tarts (I eat like a 10 year old)" As someone that has always struggled with ADD, I can tell you that sugar makes it 100x worse. Since I went on a strict Paleo diet (and especially recently when I've cut out alcohol), my baseline clarity and ability to focus my thoughts have improved immensely. I would recommend trying the Paleo diet for a month and seeing…

+1 for quit the sugar. It makes things MUCH worse. In contrast however, marihuana..... ( Hey it's healthier for you than synthetic cocaine or meth. :) )

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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As somebody who has ADHD (Please start using the correct acronym.) I feel it is my obligation to make it absolutely clear to everyone that there is nothing beneficial about ADHD. If we are successful with ADHD, then we would only be more successful if we didnt have ADHD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQu-OPrzUc

I have always been told by my doctors that I have ADHD because there is a component of hyperactivity in addition to my ADD.

ADD was changed to ADHD-PI in 1994 when the DSM-IV was published.

ADHD comes in 3 subtypes, Hyperactive-Impulsive, Predominantly Inattentive, and Combined (which is what I am diagnosed with). There is also a disorder called Slow Cognitive Tempo that is similar to ADHD, but still a different classification of disorder.

The truth is, ADHD is way more complex than what most people believe ADHD is. Many people think they have it that do not. Many psychiatrists misdiagnose patients with ADHD, when the actual problem is a different disorder. And many people are struggling in life because they have not been diagnosed with ADHD yet.

ADHD has only ever been a huge burden on my education, relationships, and quality of life. It does not give people with ADHD any sort of "super powers" or "exceptional intelligence and creativity". It doesnt have any beneficial traits whatsoever.

Hyperfocus is a form of self medicating. It is the only time when the chaotic hurricane in our mind is calmed. We can focus on certain activities that stimulate us because its the only time were not extremely uncomfortable.

The problem is that we cant control what we hyper focus on. Many of us can not self motivate ourselves to not procrastinate. Many of us can not remember what we just read or where we put our keys 5 seconds ago no matter what. Many of us can not stop ourselves from saying absolutely offensive and cruel things without provocation. Many of us hardly have any real friends, and the friends we do have are just like us. Many of us can barely speak a full sentence clearly without stumbling over our words because our minds float away on a tangent.

ADHD is a horrible disorder to suffer with. Just as bad as schizophrenia, bulimia, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, and autism. Anybody who is trying to live with ADHD untreated should seriously reconsider and seek professional psychiatric help. Research ADHD and all other closely related disorders, and figure out how you can help your psychiatrist better help you.

Its the single best decision I've ever made.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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"So the first thing I do when I wake up is make chocolate Pop-Tarts (I eat like a 10 year old)" As someone that has always struggled with ADD, I can tell you that sugar makes it 100x worse. Since I went on a strict Paleo diet (and especially recently when I've cut out alcohol), my baseline clarity and ability to focus my thoughts have improved immensely. I would recommend trying the Paleo diet for a month and seeing…

@superplussed. I've played with both. My diet isn't awesome, and never has been, so I'm sure that doesn't help. But if I could choose being more focused or giving up chocolate Pop-Tarts, I'm at a point in life where I'm just going to enjoy my Pop-Tarts and deal with the consequences.

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always been told by my doctors that I have ADHD because there is a component of hyperactivity in addition to my ADD.

And I have the inverse. No hyperactivity, thus diagnosed with ADD.

The term "ADD" was officially dropped from the DSM in 1994 in favor of ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_disorder

Re: How I Used ADD to Build Great Businesses

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post #26

I have it, dropped out of college. Remember being up all night learning other stuff than what the education had planned for me. School: learn MySQL Brain: learn Redis. School: Learn javabeans and JEE and etc Brain: Learn Obj-C and Cocoa Contrived example, but something along those lines. Had to drop out, it was killing me staying up all night experiment with stuff that was not related to the education plan setup for…

Go for a run.
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