“My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”
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#32Yes, blame Angela Merkel and not the bank executives at your bank that loaded up on Greek debt while Greece was careening towards insolvency. I appreciate the PR nightmare here for the E.C. People are going to be madder at the E.C. for wiping out depositors at this unviable bank than they would have if the E.C. just let the whole Cypriot banking sector collapse and let everyone lose their money. See: http://online.ws…
When the Greek problems became obvious, they had no easy way to divest themselves of that debt because nobody wanted it. And when the EU decided (without Cyprus having any say about it) that the bailout would involve a 50% haircut for privately held bonds, Cyprus was hosed.
It seems to me that the biggest sin that Cyprus committed was being in the wrong people (Greeks) in the wrong place (right next to Greece) at the wrong time (when Greece was diving off an economic cliff).
Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”
#33What is the poster suggesting? EC should've stayed out and let the banks go bankrupt? Oh I know, they should've just covered all the tax haven banks losses.
Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”
#34Putting money in an uninsured bank is an investment the same stocks or property. If the asset you invest in fails you lose your money. Don't see how this is the European Commission robbing anyone. I thought (But could be wrong) without the bailout all the money would be lost. Isn't this them giving someone who's lost it all 20% of their money back?
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#35Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the eurogroup, told the FT as the bailout was announced:
“If we want to have a healthy, sound financial sector, the only way is to say: ‘Look, where you take the risks, you must deal with them, and if you can’t deal with them you shouldn’t have taken them on and the consequence might be that it is end of story.' That’s an approach that I think we, now that we are out of the heat of the crisis, should consequently take." [1]
If you want a dollar asset as close to risk free as possible, buy Treasuries. If you are afraid of inflation buy inflation-protected Treasuries, TIPS.
Not Bitcoins? No, not Bitcoins. The purchasing power of your savings has a higher probability of being retained when backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government than a cryptocurrency. This may very well change, but it is not the case today, particularly if you pay your bills and buy your food in dollars. Speculate in Bitcoins, use them to transact if you must, and perhaps participate them as a form of activism, but do not convince yourself that you are George Sorosing the global financial system.
[1] http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/68c9c18e-955e-11e2-a151-00144...
Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”
#36>I'm not Russian oligarch, but just European medium size IT business I fail to see the difference, honestly. The OP, by running a business within a society where many services essential to that business are provided by the government and paid for by the citizens and businesses within that society, profited directly from other people's taxes - but refused to contribute. I feel about as bad for him as I do for any of t…
He had operations in Cyprus with employees in Cyprus, He was not operating in one country while using bank accounts of Cyprus.
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#37Cyprus is a tiny country with a GDP not much higher than Tim Hortons. Yet, it had something like 150 billion in private funds stored in two of its banks: the Bank of Cyprus and Lakie. Why? Because the majority of the funds (I am generalizing) belongs/belonged to Russians who took advantage of the people on the conversion out of communism (dirty money). As North Americans have Swiss bank accounts, the Russians have Cyprus. Obviously, other people have their money in here too.
Greek's insolvency impacted Cyprus greatly, because a large portion of the Cyprus population are of Greek descent. Thus, when the banks were figuring out where to invest, a large portion of the funds went to Greece. As a result, the banks lost a ton of money, and are on the verge of making the country insolvent. The IMF said the government needed to come up with a large amount of money.
At first they tried to pass a bill that would skim 10% off all Cyprus bank accounts that had over 10k Euros. There was unimaginable outrage, because as you can guess, that affects a good portion of the population. In response, they changed the bill to only affect those with over 100k Euros. Interestingly, this time, mostly the Russian dirty money was affected, and there was not as much public outrage (stealing stolen money). As a result, now 30% of all bank accounts over 100k Euros are being seized.
All the North Americans probably don't realize why this is such a big deal. In North America, we have money in companies, hedge funds, etc. In Europe, from what I've been told, banks are the major (almost exclusive) depository. Thus, you can imagine that this is a much bigger deal.
Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”
#38Putting money in an uninsured bank is an investment the same stocks or property. If the asset you invest in fails you lose your money. Don't see how this is the European Commission robbing anyone. I thought (But could be wrong) without the bailout all the money would be lost. Isn't this them giving someone who's lost it all 20% of their money back?
€100,000 was insured. If you want to go along that line of thinking, then he currently has access to less than 4% of the uninsured money.
Insurance is for Euro 100k, and he has a Dollar Account, that is why he will get only $128k based on the exchange rate.
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#39>I'm not Russian oligarch, but just European medium size IT business I fail to see the difference, honestly. The OP, by running a business within a society where many services essential to that business are provided by the government and paid for by the citizens and businesses within that society, profited directly from other people's taxes - but refused to contribute. I feel about as bad for him as I do for any of t…
I'm not sure why, but natermer's past several posts are all dead. He wrote: > The people running the government, which uses the taxes to secure loans that they have no intention on paying back, in order to prop up a failing economy that is failing because of the rules and regulations that are setup to maximize the illigit profit for said people running government.. those are the real gangsters. > Most large state gov…
Perhaps whoever you quoted was making a good case for not cooperating (taxes or otherwise) with tyrannical governments, but the situation in most European countries is that the government is democratic, progressive, and operates in the interests of it's citizens more than it does in the interests of the politicians themselves.
The OP, unfortunately, doesn't get a choice of operating within a system where he benefits greatly from other people's effort and also paying taxes OR doing neither, he only gets to choose whether to contribute to a system that profits him massively or not. While choosing not to contribute, which is what OP did, is not technically stealing, it's ethically equivalent - I present as rationale the Kantian argument - if nobody paid taxes it is obvious that (within European countries) everybody would be worse off than if everybody paid taxes, therefore it is unethical for a single person to not pay taxes.
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#40When you deposit money in a bank you become a protected senior creditor, but creditor nonetheleas, to the bank. The government insures the first €100 000 or $250 000 against losses, but that guarantee is only as good as the government. Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the eurogroup, told the FT as the bailout was announced: “ If we want to have a healthy, sound financial sector, the only way is to say: ‘Look, where…