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in my observation, quality women are pretty much universally opposed to casual sex

I'm not advocating anything here, but have you really found that to be true? I've known plenty of people of both genders who aren't exactly chaste, and I wouldn't consider them low quality people.

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#32

time_management has a history of posting misogynistic, and generally sexist (for both sexes) comments. One needs to take this into account when responding. Just read his comments here about 85% of women in the US being too low-quality, etc., etc. before you upvote.

I'm disturbed that you would depict me as a misogynist because of my opposition to Sex and the City culture and the type of person it has, sadly, convinced a lot of women to try to become.

I'm somewhat elitist, and I think the corporate-made suburban American culture (or lack thereof) is a massive fail. I'm a cultural conservative, and strongly opposed to "hookup culture" because I think it has destroyed something precious-- an environment of mutual respect between the genders, without which love is not really possible. However, I also think that I'm more liberal, anti-racist, and feminist than the vast majority of people.

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#33

"quality women are pretty much universally opposed to casual sex and would look down upon it if I racked up a number when young, so that sort of behavior would limit my options in the long term." Where do you live, Utah? I don't know any women who are opposed to casual sex. Maybe you need to meet more people, and broaden your worldview. It's also self-destructive to limit what you're doing now for the sake of what yo…

I live in Manhattan, actually. The truth is that, although I don't care much what people do in private, I could never marry a woman who's had casual sex. I find it pretty unadmirable, and wouldn't want a person who behaved that way having and raising my children. Sex and the City makes me want to throw up. So it would be utterly wrong and hypocritical to hold myself to a different standard... and extremely counterpro…

Okay then, your comment about this in the post was dishonest. Rather than explain that this is something you oppose and that's the reason you won't do it, you tried to explain it as something that "quality women" won't do (and then added an aside about how you're not really interested so that's not a big deal). I wonder if this attempt to rationalize is related to the reasons you're dissatisfied, and whether there are other things your question is hiding or obscuring in similar ways.

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I live in the US, so finding the "right kind" of woman is difficult. 85 percent (or more) of them are too selfish to have any long-term potential. The saying comes to mind about how, in the US, it's very easy to find a great job and very hard to find a decent woman, as opposed to the other way around in most of the world. If I decide that getting married and having kids is a serious priority of mine, I'm probably goi…

Wow. Misogyny alert on top of inductive reasoning fail. While i, myself, am married to a wonderful Canadian, i know quite a number of wonderful American girls of a wide variety of dispositions, and even geekiness, whose relationships are not fundamentally based on selfishness. To be honest, having read through your comments on this thread, i have to question this whole endeavor. If your main concern is having a relat…

Misogyny is a lack of respect for all women. He has an issue with American women. There is a big difference between those two. We need to be careful when we accuse people.

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#35

time_management has a history of posting misogynistic, and generally sexist (for both sexes) comments. One needs to take this into account when responding. Just read his comments here about 85% of women in the US being too low-quality, etc., etc. before you upvote.

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Love is like a TCP connection. Startup and teardown are expensive, but once you're past that, you're in the butter-zone.

Startup and teardown are cheap. The expensive part is losing a packet in the middle of a high-throughput conversation.

I'm not sure I'm following this metaphor anymore.

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I live in the US, so finding the "right kind" of woman is difficult. 85 percent (or more) of them are too selfish to have any long-term potential. The saying comes to mind about how, in the US, it's very easy to find a great job and very hard to find a decent woman, as opposed to the other way around in most of the world. If I decide that getting married and having kids is a serious priority of mine, I'm probably goi…

Wow. Misogyny alert on top of inductive reasoning fail. While i, myself, am married to a wonderful Canadian, i know quite a number of wonderful American girls of a wide variety of dispositions, and even geekiness, whose relationships are not fundamentally based on selfishness. To be honest, having read through your comments on this thread, i have to question this whole endeavor. If your main concern is having a relat…

I know a number of wonderful American girls as well. Three-quarters of them, for what it's worth, weren't born here or are second-generation immigrants.

The problem is not that there are no decent American women. Obviously there are. The problem is that there are few of them, which means that the competition's pretty fierce.

I think the problem is that we live in a society that provides financial incentives for women to leave relationships on a whim. This might not influence actual relationships very much, but it creates a negative and adversarial culture.

On a side note, I think the word "misogyny" is massively overused, just as "feminism" is often misapplied.

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post #33

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I live in Manhattan, actually. The truth is that, although I don't care much what people do in private, I could never marry a woman who's had casual sex. I find it pretty unadmirable, and wouldn't want a person who behaved that way having and raising my children. Sex and the City makes me want to throw up. So it would be utterly wrong and hypocritical to hold myself to a different standard... and extremely counterpro…

Okay then, your comment about this in the post was dishonest. Rather than explain that this is something you oppose and that's the reason you won't do it, you tried to explain it as something that "quality women" won't do (and then added an aside about how you're not really interested so that's not a big deal). I wonder if this attempt to rationalize is related to the reasons you're dissatisfied, and whether there ar…

It's both something that I oppose and something that I've observed most potentially marriage-worthy women oppose.

I don't think casual sex is necessarily immoral, assuming that neither person intends to get married in the future. The main victims of consensual casual sex are future romantic partners of the participants, so if both participants have completely foresworn the possibility of having long-term relationships, I have no ground from which to call it immoral. However, it seems that this particular "use case" is pretty uncommon.

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Wow. Misogyny alert on top of inductive reasoning fail. While i, myself, am married to a wonderful Canadian, i know quite a number of wonderful American girls of a wide variety of dispositions, and even geekiness, whose relationships are not fundamentally based on selfishness. To be honest, having read through your comments on this thread, i have to question this whole endeavor. If your main concern is having a relat…

Misogyny is a lack of respect for all women. He has an issue with American women. There is a big difference between those two. We need to be careful when we accuse people.

Bullshit.

He's painting all the members of a group with the same brush. The fact that this thread is entirely focused on relationships, the "Woman" component to American Woman, is the focal subject, not the American part.

Also, given that he lives in America, i'm guessing that the majority of his experience (although yes, this is a leap to conclusions) is with American Women, hence, he's still making the same incorrect inductive leap from his sample. America is a big place, and i'm guessing he's not really familiar with American Women in their totality.

Hence, misogyny: he's judging the entire group (negatively), based on his limited experience. Particularly, since this judgement comes w/o any actual analysis of his negative experiences upon which his claims may or may not be founded.

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#40

time_management has a history of posting misogynistic, and generally sexist (for both sexes) comments. One needs to take this into account when responding. Just read his comments here about 85% of women in the US being too low-quality, etc., etc. before you upvote.

Downvoted. Attempting to discredit someone by labelling them in this way is a distasteful and intellectually bankrupt way to argue. You play the "sexism card" like this far too often and it grows tiresome.

No matter if what someone says is right or wrong, it should stand by itself and be judged on its merits regardless of the larger trends in their opinion or their posting history.

And for what it's worth, I strongly disagree with time_management's bizarre, retrograde views on morality and "the right type of women", but at least he's not trying to wave away those who disagree with him with cheap, insulting labels.

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