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Civil Liberties Groups Speak Out Against CISPA in Lead Up to Hearings

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Supporters include companies like AT&T, Facebook, IBM, Intel, Oracle Corporation, Symantec, Verizon, and Microsoft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_... I'm envisioning a web dashboard that lets federal agents do fuzzy queries on individuals, to see all the sites visited, emails sent, web searches, browsing habits, etc, from all the IP addresses used by the given individual in the past seve…

That would be scary, if CISPA had anything to do with any of that.

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Getting such a law passed does nothing to prevent a future law from saying the opposite.

Unless you amend the Constitution. Good luck! EDIT: Another option is for the courts to decide that freedom was guaranteed in the Constitution all along. But courts are unpredictable so again, good luck!

Amendment 21(repeal of prohibition), Nothing is forever.

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Go on the offensive. Instead of just fighting to kill legislation like CISPA, lobby for legislation that will guarantee the freedom of the internet. That will unequivocally protect people's liberties on (and off) the internet.

The special interests behind legislation like CISPA have professional lobbyists and millions of dollars to pay them. If you're a private citizen and want a law passed at the federal level, you need to have a cute and young white child who died due to something your law legislates against. Otherwise you don't stand a chance of being heard.

Yet somehow the Loud Commercials Lobby lost to the Reasonable Volume Commercials masses. Too bad that couldn't have been something important.

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I understand what you're saying, but when legislation is proposed I look at what it very easily could enable, not just what it's written to be for. When I look at what's being proposed I see that the government is using its sovereign power to trade away my right to civil suit against a company in event of a data loss, in exchange to that company for it handing over private information (that very well can include cust…

> If you want to talk about confusing, I watch C-SPAN constantly (it's an illness) and whenever anybody in the legislative or executive branch talks about "cyber security" they always talk about IP protection and "preventing a cyber pearl harbor" in the same breath. The trouble is that the effective, worthwhile and highly damaging cyberattacks all involve IP, in some way or another. There's not much value in taking d…

No they don't. I think it is extremely confusing to talk about theft of data at the same time as talking about someone hacking a nuclear power plant to go into meltdown or something. When people say things like "cyber pearl harbor" at that time they could be talking about a DDOS that makes it impossible to do online banking or they could be talking about an attack on SCADA systems at a power plant that takes out power for a city. It really drives me nuts because either everybody in government talking about it is a poor thinker or they are intentionally being vague.

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Obligatory Maddox from SOPA 1 http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa

This "CISPA is the next SOPA" meme is about as fact-based as "Electronic Arts is literally Hitler." I'm not telling you it's good or bad, but it's not remotely SOPA. It isn't even addressing the same general topic as SOPA.

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Just tell the gun lobby that if any of the Gun Shops keep an online database of their customers that's subject to the law. No need to worry about a national gun registry, the GOV gets it for free. Get the NRA involved and ALL OF CONGRESS will run screaming about how this goes against the 2nd Amendment.

The Gun Shop would have to volunteer that information to the government according to CISPA, so that wouldn't work.

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Supporters include companies like AT&T, Facebook, IBM, Intel, Oracle Corporation, Symantec, Verizon, and Microsoft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_... I'm envisioning a web dashboard that lets federal agents do fuzzy queries on individuals, to see all the sites visited, emails sent, web searches, browsing habits, etc, from all the IP addresses used by the given individual in the past seve…

That would be scary, if CISPA had anything to do with any of that.

I find it a great way to tell if a person is worth engaging on this issue based on whether or not they think CISPA involves the government proactively asking for information.

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I am never more reminded of how smart people can succumb to groupthink than I am when I read HN posts about CISPA. There are a lot of misconceptions about the law, including what kind of data gets shared (only relevant threat data, this isn't your bank account info, and the RIAA can't sue you if shared data reveals you to be torrenting movies - can elaborate more on this if there's interest), who does the sharing (orgs share to the government voluntarily), who has access to the sharing (government and people the government decide to share the data with), etc.

I saw an infographic a little while back that I thought made a pretty good representation of what the bill actually proposes, I wonder if anyone has a link available to it.

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So start soliciting donations and hire your own professional lobbyist. The amount of whining about how the political process is broken because it actually takes work to influence legislation is a little ridiculous.

Better: Start forming a coalition of private individuals and companies , and use that group to hire lobbyists. The game is broken, but you can't win if you refuse to play.

You can certainly enjoy your life a lot more if you take your ball, go home, and play with your computer. Who knows, computers may even turn out to be popular in a decade's time.
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