Supporters include companies like AT&T, Facebook, IBM, Intel, Oracle Corporation, Symantec, Verizon, and Microsoft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_... I'm envisioning a web dashboard that lets federal agents do fuzzy queries on individuals, to see all the sites visited, emails sent, web searches, browsing habits, etc, from all the IP addresses used by the given individual in the past seve…
Civil Liberties Groups Speak Out Against CISPA in Lead Up to Hearings
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Getting such a law passed does nothing to prevent a future law from saying the opposite.
Unless you amend the Constitution. Good luck! EDIT: Another option is for the courts to decide that freedom was guaranteed in the Constitution all along. But courts are unpredictable so again, good luck!
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Go on the offensive. Instead of just fighting to kill legislation like CISPA, lobby for legislation that will guarantee the freedom of the internet. That will unequivocally protect people's liberties on (and off) the internet.
The special interests behind legislation like CISPA have professional lobbyists and millions of dollars to pay them. If you're a private citizen and want a law passed at the federal level, you need to have a cute and young white child who died due to something your law legislates against. Otherwise you don't stand a chance of being heard.
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I understand what you're saying, but when legislation is proposed I look at what it very easily could enable, not just what it's written to be for. When I look at what's being proposed I see that the government is using its sovereign power to trade away my right to civil suit against a company in event of a data loss, in exchange to that company for it handing over private information (that very well can include cust…
> If you want to talk about confusing, I watch C-SPAN constantly (it's an illness) and whenever anybody in the legislative or executive branch talks about "cyber security" they always talk about IP protection and "preventing a cyber pearl harbor" in the same breath. The trouble is that the effective, worthwhile and highly damaging cyberattacks all involve IP, in some way or another. There's not much value in taking d…
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#35Obligatory Maddox from SOPA 1 http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa
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#36Just tell the gun lobby that if any of the Gun Shops keep an online database of their customers that's subject to the law. No need to worry about a national gun registry, the GOV gets it for free. Get the NRA involved and ALL OF CONGRESS will run screaming about how this goes against the 2nd Amendment.
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#37Supporters include companies like AT&T, Facebook, IBM, Intel, Oracle Corporation, Symantec, Verizon, and Microsoft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_... I'm envisioning a web dashboard that lets federal agents do fuzzy queries on individuals, to see all the sites visited, emails sent, web searches, browsing habits, etc, from all the IP addresses used by the given individual in the past seve…
That would be scary, if CISPA had anything to do with any of that.
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#38Obligatory Maddox from SOPA 1 http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa
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#39I saw an infographic a little while back that I thought made a pretty good representation of what the bill actually proposes, I wonder if anyone has a link available to it.
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So start soliciting donations and hire your own professional lobbyist. The amount of whining about how the political process is broken because it actually takes work to influence legislation is a little ridiculous.
Better: Start forming a coalition of private individuals and companies , and use that group to hire lobbyists. The game is broken, but you can't win if you refuse to play.