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Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

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Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

#31

It's completely crazy. We've accepted browsers are part of the OS for a long time, what's next fining Apple for not promoting Mozilla or Chrome on iOS?

When Apple have a monopoly, they will be part of these rules as well. As soon as you enters monopoly status in the EU, there is certain rules and regulations that you need to comply with.

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

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I think more companies should be fined like this, as a percentage of their anual revenue. Except that I would further increase the percentage - up to 50% or even 100%. It's very simple: citizens go to jail, companies can't; so we have to make them pay, a lot. When fines are a fixed amount, the corporations have to simply earn more by committing the crime than they would have to pay if caught; banks are very adept at…

So you would send people to jail for not giving dumb users a browser choice that is only going to confuse them anyway?

that is upto the court to deicde, tomp got a point that since companies cannot be jailed, they should be fined a percentage of their revenue!

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This fine is the outcome of repeated failures on MS’s part to properly implement court-ordered reparations, rather than a direct fine required by the original judgement.

Yes but the original judgement was wrong too - politically motivated you might say

Yeah, it had the political motivation to uphold the European laws regarding abuses of a monopoly. Evil ...

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

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The right to continue to do business in the EU? That's what's at stake.

I don't think they can just cut off every Microsoft consultancy, every Windows user and throw them out of the EU. If they did, I'd be heading to Brussels with a pitchfork along with about 100 other people at my company.

I seriously doubt MS will commit seppuku over a fine. Which is really what scoffing at this would get them.

More than likely, they'll roll out changes to their browser preferences now (that they've been caught red-handed) and maybe include a "browser bundle" that has Firefox, Chrome and IE in newer versions and recommend OEMs deploy the same. Naturally it may still default to IE if the user clicks "next". That way, they can maybe negotiate down the overall sum of the fine saying "hey, sorry we're late, but look! We're doing the changes."

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

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I think more companies should be fined like this, as a percentage of their anual revenue. Except that I would further increase the percentage - up to 50% or even 100%. It's very simple: citizens go to jail, companies can't; so we have to make them pay, a lot. When fines are a fixed amount, the corporations have to simply earn more by committing the crime than they would have to pay if caught; banks are very adept at…

>committing the crime

If a someone in a corporation is actually committing a crime , then, yes they can go to jail.

If they have committed some kind of civil offense or if it's a criminal offense with no jail term attached then they don't go to jail. There's nothing special about corporations that prevent the people in charge from serving jail time.

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

#38

What does this mean for ChromeOS or Firefox OS? I'm seriously curious how the legal system considers them in light of this and why MS hasn't mentioned them (to my knowledge) in their defence.

Neither ChromeOS nor FirefoxOS have a majority market share in the OS market that they use to push competitors out of the browser space. No problems for them.

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

#39

What does this mean for ChromeOS or Firefox OS? I'm seriously curious how the legal system considers them in light of this and why MS hasn't mentioned them (to my knowledge) in their defence.

That's indeed my thought, why only Microsoft? Apple should also give that choice to their OSX users.

Re: Microsoft fined $731m by European Commission over web browser choice

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I think more companies should be fined like this, as a percentage of their anual revenue. Except that I would further increase the percentage - up to 50% or even 100%. It's very simple: citizens go to jail, companies can't; so we have to make them pay, a lot. When fines are a fixed amount, the corporations have to simply earn more by committing the crime than they would have to pay if caught; banks are very adept at…

This fine is plain stupid. Why EU doesn't fine Google for the same thing on Android. Android is in a monopoly position in EU and I do not saw any broswer choice screen when I first start my Android phone.
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