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Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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I agree that glamorizing programming is not particularly helpful, except that coder-entrepreneurs can get more attention from venture capital. Glamorizing programming, along with the app-stores, is pushing the independent programming business into a "blockbuster" mentality, a winner-take-all situation where a small number of practitioners do very well and most don't ever make their development money back. Thanks, Steve Jobs!

Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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I agree. I've worked as a developer in places from startups to financial institutions to large fortune 100 tech companies. Definitely not glamorous but sure beats working fast food that put me through school 15 years ago. I derive my enjoyment from solving problems using a computer and seeing people who use what I create enjoy what I've created. I definitely didn't do it for any sort of fame or glamor.

Right, and to add: It's an awesome profession: the tiny chance of becoming rich and/or famous coupled with the safe odds of relatively good pay, benefits, job security. Every other "rich/famous" profession is completely all-or-nothing: actors, musicians, artists, athletes, etc...

Many other professions allow you become rich. Too become rich as programmer you need to own some part of the company. You can do that in nearly every proffesion.

Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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I'm not so sure that public percepiton is different. Loads of people I know still think that because I'm a programmer I must be an expert in fixing printers, or formatting spreadsheets.

Totally agree. Just because a movie came out and there is a show about startups doesn't mean its gone mainstream. Far from it. To top it off, what is represented in the media is such a small slice (ie. the startup scene) of what real world software developers do that its almost meaningless.

Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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I hate these broad sweeping titles on HN. Speak for yourself. I love my job, I work from home in an amazing home office I designed. I filled it with plants, little bonzai trees, art on the wall, inderect lighting for the evenings, and all the best work equipment money can buy. My environment is pretty much an extension of me. I have awesome clients that invite me out for events, I go to programming conferences and ha…

>I hate these broad sweeping titles on HN. Speak for yourself. I love my job, I work from home in an amazing home office I designed. I filled it with plants, little bonzai trees, art on the wall, inderect lighting for the evenings, and all the best work equipment money can buy. My environment is pretty much an extension of me.

If this is not sarcasm, then in any case it does not put a dent the "programming is not glamorous" notion a notch.

An "amazing home office"? With "little bonzai trees and indirect lighting"? "Invited by clients for events" and "programming conferences"?

That's not glamorous in any common use of the world. At best it's a geeks idea of what glamorous is. And even that trailer-park idea of glamorous is far from most programmers reality (as one can tell from programming median salaries).

But even if that was "glamorous" (which is not: by glamorous, common folks AND the movies TFA describes, mean the Ferrari, red carpet, model dating type of startup millionaires), the whole premise of the comment would still be a classical geek misunderstanding.

When people say "X is Y" they don't mean "ALL X is Y and only Y", they mean "most X are mostly like Y". And it's true that most programming jobs not only are not glamorous in the Ferrari sense, they are also not "glamorous" in the sense you describe above. So the "sweeping generalisation" is perfectly accurate in normal conversation sense. TFA never used a universal quantifier in the mathematical sense.

Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

#39
Well, so is being a lawyer or a doctor. Those jobs aren't what TV series and movies would have us believe either.

Most lawyers don't try high-profile murder cases. Most doctors don't save countless lives during their day-to-day work.

Even the most glamourous job of all - being a rock star - isn't really all that glamourous if you take a closer look at it. Those rock stars who ultimately love what they do and hence take their work seriously have to work very hard and be very disciplined to make it.

Same thing applies to programmers. Sure, most programming jobs are in a corporate environment and working in such an environment can suck quite a bit. However, the more your work sucks the more potential there is for actually changing something for the better, even more so if you're a programmer. Programmers can create wonderful designs and feats of engineering with little more than a bright mind and a computer.

Re: Programming is not a Glamorous Job

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I hate these broad sweeping titles on HN. Speak for yourself. I love my job, I work from home in an amazing home office I designed. I filled it with plants, little bonzai trees, art on the wall, inderect lighting for the evenings, and all the best work equipment money can buy. My environment is pretty much an extension of me. I have awesome clients that invite me out for events, I go to programming conferences and ha…

> I hate these broad sweeping titles on HN. Speak for yourself. I love my job, I work from home in an amazing home office I designed. I filled it with plants, little bonzai trees, art on the wall, inderect lighting for the evenings, and all the best work equipment money can buy. My environment is pretty much an extension of me. If this is not sarcasm, then in any case it does not put a dent the "programming is not gl…

I very much disagree. I'm not talking about "glamour" in terms of a celebrity and red carpet, that's just stupid.

My definition of glamour is (and I'm sure what most of the normal world considers glamorous outside of celebrities)...

1. I can travel, where I want, when I want

2. I can buy nice things. MAYBE even a ferrari, in good time. Not right now, but it is absolutely in the realm of possibility

3. I can work from home, I can work in an office. I can work wherever I like. I can move to different states, and different cities at the drop of a hat.

4. I can take a break if I want to, and I can resume when I want to

5. I have true FREEDOM.

I mentioned my desk and working area because (although it's trivial, and not one of my main points), most people are chained to some slave job, so when they walk in my house their first reaction is usually .. "wow! this would be great to work here!"

And that to me is glamour, hardly a "trailer-park idea of glamour". That just makes it sound like you are bitter. All of the points I reiterated are ones I said in my original post but that you graciously ignored in favor of challenging my one trivial answer.

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