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Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by Timothee »

latortuga wrote: post #24

It's interesting to see a comparison of apples to oranges (IDE to text editor) when you can very easily compare apples to apples - E text editor very closely resembles TextMate, works on Windows, and supports all (or almost all) of the bundles available for TextMate. It's even cheaper than TextMate.

But did you want him to compare E with Textmate? His point was that he switched to a Mac and wanted to compare what's out there for RoR on Mac: in his case, Aptana, which he was already using on Windows, and Textmate. Two different things, true, but the former is what he was used to on Windows, and the latter a very common tool for RoR dev on Mac.

As he says in the post, that kind of decision ends up being very personal anyway. I settled on Textmate recently but I'm not sure that will be the case forever. (personally, I'd go for something in between: the speed and simplicity of Textmate with functions like the navigation between classes, auto-completion but without the slowness shown by Eclipse et al)

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by Timothee »

old-gregg wrote: post #7
Hates_ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally of the opposite mindset. I think auto-complete is a terrible way to introduce someone to a new language. Yes, you may see results quicker, but I've found all that happens is you become reliant upon auto-complete to do the thinking for you. All too often I have seen people use auto-complete as a tool to help them just mindlessly code away rather then taking the time to actually figure out what it is they a…

I'm totally of the opposite mindset. I think auto-complete is a terrible way to introduce someone to a new language. Agreed. Back in college I remember reading a book about effects of various computer aids on our cognitive development [the users in question were mostly teenagers/students]. Programmers were mentioned too. Relying on compilers to catch syntax errors or auto-completing IDEs to suggest method names we're…

Well, notepad.exe is not even close to being a decent text editor so that would be a horrible thing to do. (remember that you can't have line numbers for example)

But I agree with your point about learning. The trade-off is always that it takes more time to learn without help than with but later, one tend to rely too much on the help. The difficult thing is to know how to go back to basics at some point.

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by axod »

anatoli wrote: post #29
axod wrote: post #27

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I'm evaluating it atm. If you know of something exactly like TextMate that is just a text editor (syntax highlighting), and not an "interfering code suggestion tool", I'd be interested.

Smultron, BBEdit, TextWrangler... depends on what you need, TextWrangler and Smultron are probably the simplest, although they're also limited in certain ways.

Hey thanks, TextWrangler looks much more promising than TextMate.

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by eli »

latortuga wrote: post #24

It's interesting to see a comparison of apples to oranges (IDE to text editor) when you can very easily compare apples to apples - E text editor very closely resembles TextMate, works on Windows, and supports all (or almost all) of the bundles available for TextMate. It's even cheaper than TextMate.

E is compatible with Textmate bundles, but it is not the same editor. For one thing, it's got serious stability problems. TextMate doesn't handle big files well, but it very rarely crashes.

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by eli »

axod wrote: post #16
frisco wrote: post #14

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> It's taken a long time to disable all these irritations and I'm not sure I have them all yet. I feel like you're missing the point of TextMate. These things might seem like annoyances now, but they're there for a reason. Once you get the muscle memory for TextMate it'll become an extension of your body, like a prefix-keyless emacs or vi. Your profile says you're not new here, so I have to assume you know what you'r…

I'm coming from jedit, and before that any other basic terminal text editor. I've never been one for help/bundles/snippets/macros/etc My gripes come for instance when I go back to do something, and TextMate adds in extra idiocy eg a = 9+6 // Oops, need to double all that - (9+6)*2, lets bracket it up... a = ()9+6 // WTF TextMate added a close bracket that is clearly useless My remaining gripe with TextMate is that I…

That bugs me too. I wonder if I could hack the bundle to fix it...

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by carlosrr »

axod wrote: post #21
carlosrr wrote: post #17

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If you select the 9+6 and then insert the opening parenthesis it will wrap everything automatically. This is not really intuitive, but the extra idiocy is there for a reason.

Sure. But I don't want to select text, I want to type/edit the way I want to. I've disabled all the 'insert extra random characters' shenanigans now.

There is an Auto-pair characters checkbox under Text Editing in the preferences.

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by jamongkad »

axod wrote: post #33
anatoli wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smultron, BBEdit, TextWrangler... depends on what you need, TextWrangler and Smultron are probably the simplest, although they're also limited in certain ways.

Hey thanks, TextWrangler looks much more promising than TextMate.

You might want to try Vim.

Re: TextMate vs AptanaStudio

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Post by weaksauce »

old-gregg wrote: post #7
Hates_ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally of the opposite mindset. I think auto-complete is a terrible way to introduce someone to a new language. Yes, you may see results quicker, but I've found all that happens is you become reliant upon auto-complete to do the thinking for you. All too often I have seen people use auto-complete as a tool to help them just mindlessly code away rather then taking the time to actually figure out what it is they a…

I'm totally of the opposite mindset. I think auto-complete is a terrible way to introduce someone to a new language. Agreed. Back in college I remember reading a book about effects of various computer aids on our cognitive development [the users in question were mostly teenagers/students]. Programmers were mentioned too. Relying on compilers to catch syntax errors or auto-completing IDEs to suggest method names we're…

The one feature that would be painful to lose is syntax highlighting. I just cannot parse the text effectively without it.
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