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Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

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Post by hermannj314 »

arbuge wrote: post #27
monochromatic wrote: post #26

No, that's just the abstract. Claim 1, for example, reads as follows: 1. A computer-implemented method for providing recurring delivery of products, the method comprising performing instructions under the control of a computer system for: receiving at the computer system a designation of a delivery slot and a recurring delivery list comprising one or more list items, each of the one or more list items identifying a p…

It looks like a longish and important claim, but it still seems to me to describe trivial stuff that shouldn't be patentable to begin with. It's just a sequence which is pretty obvious to any clear-minded person once the business requirement is stated. It's one wildly broken patent system that grants patents on this kind of stuff.

it still seems to me to describe trivial stuff

It is patent number 8,370,271. With numbers that large, it probably has to allow trivial stuff.

I'm just glad that on November 2nd, 2029, society will be able to use a computer system to manage a list of items to be delivered. We have only to thank the brilliant minds at Amazon and the framers of our Constitution, otherwise such an important contribution to science and the useful arts may have been lost for generations.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#32

Post by notintokyo »

j-g-faustus wrote: post #29
monochromatic wrote: post #26

No, that's just the abstract. Claim 1, for example, reads as follows: 1. A computer-implemented method for providing recurring delivery of products, the method comprising performing instructions under the control of a computer system for: receiving at the computer system a designation of a delivery slot and a recurring delivery list comprising one or more list items, each of the one or more list items identifying a p…

It still doesn't sound very impressive if you translate it to plain English: A computer-implemented method for providing recurring delivery of products, the method comprising performing instructions under the control of a computer system for: Create a list on a computer. receiving at the computer system a designation of a delivery slot and a recurring delivery list comprising one or more list items, each of the one o…

Also, wouldn't all those hundreds of "box of the month"-style subscription sites where you can pick a product to send and get it periodically be prior art?

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#33

Post by onlyup »

Pfhreak wrote: post #15
rgbrenner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Amazon has a history of enforcing terrible patents they own - ie the one-click patent.

Can you provide another example? A single large suit over 10 years ago doesn't really indicate a 'history of enforcing patents'...

It still suggests not to trust them

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#34

Post by rayiner »

jlgreco wrote: post #30
ketralnis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Relevance?

FOSSPatents == Florian And sources: http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57440902-94/microsoft-legal... As fair as I am concerned, anything he says he is saying because he is being paid, wants to be paid to continue saying it, or wants to be paid to stop saying it. Well, that or because he is bored and hasn't harassed PJ recently; his obsession with Pamela J…

"Has done legal consulting work for Microsoft" == "paid shill"

I'd love to live on your planet and see what color the sky is...

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#35

Post by rednukleus »

jlgreco wrote: post #30
ketralnis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Relevance?

FOSSPatents == Florian And sources: http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57440902-94/microsoft-legal... As fair as I am concerned, anything he says he is saying because he is being paid, wants to be paid to continue saying it, or wants to be paid to stop saying it. Well, that or because he is bored and hasn't harassed PJ recently; his obsession with Pamela J…

I don't doubt that Florian is a shill, but those links you've posted don't prove anything.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#36

Post by jlgreco »

rayiner wrote: post #34
jlgreco wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FOSSPatents == Florian And sources: http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57440902-94/microsoft-legal... As fair as I am concerned, anything he says he is saying because he is being paid, wants to be paid to continue saying it, or wants to be paid to stop saying it. Well, that or because he is bored and hasn't harassed PJ recently; his obsession with Pamela J…

"Has done legal consulting work for Microsoft" == "paid shill" I'd love to live on your planet and see what color the sky is...

It strains credulity that Florian, with his history of evasion and poor attitude towards disclosure for years, is not a shill.

I'll concede though, he all but admitted that he is a paid shill.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#37

Post by lelandbatey »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #16
lelandbatey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummm... What?: http://fresh.amazon.com/product?asin=B000PRDZSM&qid=1425...

"We currently offer home delivery to a limited number of Seattle neighborhoods" Nice for some folks living in Seattle, otherwise not very relevant.

This is true. I was initially confused about your claim that they don't sell fresh milk, but I now understand what you mean, and you are correct. Fresh milk is not available to the majority of Amazon customers.

Which is really too bad, cause Amazon Fresh is pretty awesome.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#38

Post by taligent »

jlgreco wrote: post #30
ketralnis wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Relevance?

FOSSPatents == Florian And sources: http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57440902-94/microsoft-legal... As fair as I am concerned, anything he says he is saying because he is being paid, wants to be paid to continue saying it, or wants to be paid to stop saying it. Well, that or because he is bored and hasn't harassed PJ recently; his obsession with Pamela J…

> his obsession with Pamela Jones is rather unnerving

As someone who follows both it actually started with PJ and for a long while Florian never responded. And even the responses were far more professional than PJ's usually hyperbolic posts.

And being paid by a company does not make you a shill. Bias comes in many, many forms and the only way to cut through it is to provide facts.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

#39

Post by jlgreco »

taligent wrote: post #38
jlgreco wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FOSSPatents == Florian And sources: http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57440902-94/microsoft-legal... As fair as I am concerned, anything he says he is saying because he is being paid, wants to be paid to continue saying it, or wants to be paid to stop saying it. Well, that or because he is bored and hasn't harassed PJ recently; his obsession with Pamela J…

> his obsession with Pamela Jones is rather unnerving As someone who follows both it actually started with PJ and for a long while Florian never responded. And even the responses were far more professional than PJ's usually hyperbolic posts. And being paid by a company does not make you a shill. Bias comes in many, many forms and the only way to cut through it is to provide facts.

Their professional interaction is not what I find unnerving, but rather Florian's insistence that she reveal herself personally, as well as the rest of his general interaction with her. It puts off seriously creepy vibes.

So maybe you are right. Maybe this isn't always about money to him, and is some other sort of obsession.

Re: Amazon has patented the milkman, etc.

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Post by glesica »

monochromatic wrote: post #26

No, that's just the abstract. Claim 1, for example, reads as follows: 1. A computer-implemented method for providing recurring delivery of products, the method comprising performing instructions under the control of a computer system for: receiving at the computer system a designation of a delivery slot and a recurring delivery list comprising one or more list items, each of the one or more list items identifying a p…

Sounds pretty obvious to me. I get my pet supplies delivered in exactly this manner by Petflow. I have to assume that their ordering system is implemented using a computer...
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