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Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#31

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By bundling advert-ridden applications with their latest OS, Microsoft aren't really all that far off the mark from your comment.

Are these applications really bundled by Microsoft or are they pre-installed [1] by OEMs that sell Win8 with their hardware? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-installed_software

If you do a clean install of Windows 8, several of the bundled applications - such as Weather - have adverts placed in them.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these applications really bundled by Microsoft or are they pre-installed [1] by OEMs that sell Win8 with their hardware? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-installed_software

If you do a clean install of Windows 8, several of the bundled applications - such as Weather - have adverts placed in them.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#34

Couldn't someone just build OpenJDK for Windows and offer it as an alternative install? Because, I'll tell you what, I sure didn't get any crapware when I typed `sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk`.

The problem is that the OpenJDK has problems with graphical toolkits, specifically Swing. Intellij (Java IDE with a lot of Swing) runs a lot worse under the OpenJDK than under the Sun's JVM. I might be wrong, but I don't think this has changed recently.

I keep hearing this and I can't find any examples myself. I use IntelliJ occasionally and haven't had any issues using it with OpenJDK 7, though it does warn me IIRC. Similarly, with Minecraft, I've had no issues, though I'm not an avid player by any means.

Either way, it'd be a nice way to give Oracle the middle finger about this.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#35

Couldn't someone just build OpenJDK for Windows and offer it as an alternative install? Because, I'll tell you what, I sure didn't get any crapware when I typed `sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk`.

OpenJDK isn't broadly supported by some important commercial packages. Atlassian, for one, requires the Sun/Oracle JDK.

https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAKB/OpenJDK+is+n...

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#36
Are you offering to pay for Java development and maintenance? I mean... someone has to. How is this not a case of demanding things for free?

If the petition were asking Oracle to establish a nonprofit that could support Java and offering to pay the first $10,000 toward it, I'd have a quite different reaction. But this seems to me no different from agitating for "free healthcare" without even mentioning who might pay for it, just, "it should be free!"

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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I'm fine with advertisements in desktop apps. Those guys have to make money. But I think there should be a way to pay a fee and forcibly remove them even if the developer didn't code for it. It's your machine, after all.

There's ads in Microsoft bundled apps as well[1], not just third party developers. [1] http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/microsoft-cheapens-windows...

They're in news apps, not in the email client or web browser.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

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"As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's ve…

This rant isn't even relevant to the complaint at hand...unless the point we are supposed to take away is that Oracle's attempt to collect data about its consumer market segment is mediocre. That is a legitimate critique.

Oracle's attempt is pretty lame in comparison to the methods of their tech peers. Apple, Microsoft and Google ship entire mobile operating systems filled with software to collect data and have built vast app stores filled with spyware that does not offer the user a chance to opt out.

But what makes Oracle's acts so lame is that the actually respect enterprise and don't bake the spyware in. Their peers, on the other hand, push BYOD.

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