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Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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Part of the problem with Canada is that it's less dense than many other countries. Unless you already have serious financing, it's going to be very difficult to be able to pay for your own fiber lines. I imagine the regulation makes it tough to start your own Telco as well.

If I'm not mistaken, I think, at least in Ontario, there is a massive amount of dark fiber just laying around not being used.

Dark fiber tends not to be running to homes. The costly part is connecting a cable to each building. Equipment isn't cheap either, but that will probably change over time (and/or same cost expensive equipment will become more capable).

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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When there's a chance of serious competition they will act.

Years ago in our spot in rural California Sierra Nevada foothills we were patiently waiting for DSL... Every time we called AT&T they said DSL was a year or two away. According to rumor it took a fire for it to finally happen.

Around 2001 we had a major wildland fire that burned off a lot of trees and such which cleared off line of sight for satellite reception for TV and internet to a lot of folks. According to some, that possibility prompted Comcast to stretch out their cable access to beat the satellite service to the punch, and at the same time they started working on digital cable service here-which meant high speed internet, and lo and behold DSL was available in mere months!

Not to say it was a total roll out - there are still some areas beyond the 5000 meters from the CO and too far from the cable routes that have to suffer with satellite - and its really lousy, just above dial up - unless cable or DSL moves in I'm sure Hughes/WildBlue wont bother on improving that.

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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Not sure how Canada's laws are, but in the US it is heavily regulated. You can't just become an ISP, even if you could get the city to let you trench fiber. FCC licenses are heavily policed. We don't have duopolies in internet throughout most of the country by accident or because no one has noticed. It's because it's illegal to operate otherwise.

Huh? You only need an FCC license for radio and other over-the-air, not for running fiber. I know people who have started local ISP's in the US (10+ years ago, not recently, because it's hard to get into the market now for business reasons) -- they needed no FCC license. Although, yes, by renting fiber from the teleco's not by running their own. But that's a capital issue, and a right-to-run-fiber-through-the-public-…

A lot more than statutory law is at play here in the US: Court cases, regulations and states' implementations of the law matter greatly.

Basically, there's often a tacit (or even explicit) understanding that the winner of a bid to supply cable or Internet services to a municipal area will have the exclusive right to do so (mainly, the service providers argue, to make the capital investment involved in supply said services worth it).

There has been a long-running debate over whether or not last-mile networks and local cable are natural monopolies - i.e., whether or not it is most efficient for the industry to have a monopoly. If such services are public utilities with high capital costs, service providers might argue, they should have the exclusive rights to sales in an area.

In fact, it got so bad that the Supreme Court said that municipalities could be guilty of antitrust violations if they explicitly gave monopoly power to such providers (see Community Communications Co. v. City of Boulder).

So municipalities and service providers moved to implicit guarantees of monopoly - RFP processes that are hard for less-well-resourced companies to win, for example. [1] What I'd like to know is whether or not these implicit guarantees are still a problem.

Some states (like North Carolina) set up a 'franchising' process for service providers to get the right to serve an area. So it's not always just about permission from the municipality. It might be about whether or not your state's equivalent of a franchising process is exclusive on the local level. For cable, North Carolina's is supposedly non-exclusive, though I wonder how many times Time Warner runs into trouble getting approve to serve an area, and whether they end up developing small natural monopolies in some locations. But regardless of whether or not those monopolies develop, you have to think about who gets to run lines on whose land.

The fact is that the big companies have an easier time running lines for any data/media service (cable, Internet, etc) through easements and public areas. (This is the part some people refuse to believe. 'Oh, but anybody can purchase land!' Sure, but do you have the capital to do that, or does Time Warner?)

A truly competitive market would involve setting up the infrastructure and having the public own that, instead of owning or operating actual ISPs, which, to any rational observer, constitutes unfair competition, even in light of the desperate need for competition in some markets.

States and municipalities would hand out licenses to the infrastructure, not to the land. That'd be really cool, and possibly really efficient.

[1] - http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa034.html (Good summary of the debate; pretty fair)

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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Sounds a lot better than Vancouver. I'm paying $45/mo for 15 down 1 up, with a bandwidth usage cap. You literally can't get home internet for less than $40/mo, and the speed you get when you pay that is a joke.

Here in Belize I pay $200/mo for 4Mbit cable that is usually closer to 1Mbit.

Gah, how dare you put things in perspective! I'm entitled to my feelings of outrage, dammit!

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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When there's a chance of serious competition they will act. Years ago in our spot in rural California Sierra Nevada foothills we were patiently waiting for DSL... Every time we called AT&T they said DSL was a year or two away. According to rumor it took a fire for it to finally happen. Around 2001 we had a major wildland fire that burned off a lot of trees and such which cleared off line of sight for satellite recept…

I'm in a major metropolitan area, and AT&T's DSL (also under its previous name, SBC) was for shit. (Not a few would argue that it still is, actually.)

It wasn't until Comcast started rolling in wholesale and eating their lunch (also "stealing" voice service with their multiple and combined offerings), that AT&T deigned to make any significant improvements. This is despite having a very significant tax break from the state in return for a commitment to roll out "universal access".

All these companies that do better -- when there is finally a threat; incentives don't work. A pox on them. I hope the publicity of their responses just aids in shining a light on their longstanding corruption and shit service.

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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For $29,90 USD you should get at least 100Mbps. 10 to 15Mbps upgrade made me laugh. Here in Helsinki, Finland 100Mbit/s unlimited connection without caps costs 19,90€/mo, including 24% tax.

Gigabit connection got premium price of 99€/mo (including taxes).

There are no additional fees, like device rents, connection fees or what ever.

Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaken, I think, at least in Ontario, there is a massive amount of dark fiber just laying around not being used.

Dark fiber tends not to be running to homes. The costly part is connecting a cable to each building. Equipment isn't cheap either, but that will probably change over time (and/or same cost expensive equipment will become more capable).

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Re: Time Warner Boosts My Speed, Cuts My Bill

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For $29,90 USD you should get at least 100Mbps. 10 to 15Mbps upgrade made me laugh. Here in Helsinki, Finland 100Mbit/s unlimited connection without caps costs 19,90€/mo, including 24% tax. Gigabit connection got premium price of 99€/mo (including taxes). There are no additional fees, like device rents, connection fees or what ever.

I realize that the cable monopoly is underinvesting in infrastructure and overcharging for service, but it's still unfair to compare the service of a country as small as Finland to a country as large and sprawling as the US. There's simply that much more ground to cover, and coverage is definitely a higher priority than speed or cost.
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