Another funny fact about the 'halo effect' discussed here: when rating individuals for aptitude on a variety of tasks, straight men have a positive bias towards attractive women, whereas straight women have a negative bias towards attractive women (a kind of 'jealousy' phenomenon). This jealousy phenomenon seems less apparent when it's straight men rating men.
A Truth About the Glass Ceiling No One Wants to Talk About
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#32Here are the female CEO's of the fortune 500. Meg Whitman, HP (#10) Virginia Rometty, IBM (#19) Patricia A. Woertz, Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) (#28) Indra K. Nooyi, PepsiCo, Inc. (#41) Irene B. Rosenfeld, Mondelez International Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed Martin (#58) Ellen J. Kullman, DuPont (#72) Phebe Novakovic, General Dynamics (#92) Carol M. Meyrowitz, The TJX Companies, Inc. (#125) Ursula M. Burns, Xero…
>despite being low on this list Marissa Mayer is by far one of the most recognisable, probably because as an attractive woman it's a good brand for Yahoo
Or it could be because she used to do PR for google (#73), and she's in our industry.
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#33Here are the female CEO's of the fortune 500. Meg Whitman, HP (#10) Virginia Rometty, IBM (#19) Patricia A. Woertz, Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) (#28) Indra K. Nooyi, PepsiCo, Inc. (#41) Irene B. Rosenfeld, Mondelez International Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed Martin (#58) Ellen J. Kullman, DuPont (#72) Phebe Novakovic, General Dynamics (#92) Carol M. Meyrowitz, The TJX Companies, Inc. (#125) Ursula M. Burns, Xero…
> Ironically despite being low on this list Marissa Mayer is by far one of the most recognisable, probably because as an attractive woman it's a good brand for Yahoo.
Or publicly pulling a highly recognizable face from Google is really good for Yahoo!.
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#34I'm slightly apprehensive (terrified) about commenting on this topic or any relating to gender/race because it seems like the bar for public crucifixion is somewhat low, even to those who just want to add data or other side-points to a discussion. Anyway, and I apologize in advance if I derail the topic, but I think there's a semi important distinction to qualify this discussion, because I do think the discussion app…
For whatever it may be worth (probably nothing), I am a relatively short guy who is not particularly attracted to men, but if I really think about it, I think I have a preference to taller men, just in terms of first impressions. I think I associate height with being "more grown up".
I have been taller than my father for many years now, but I think the extent to which I consider him more of an "adult" than myself is comparable to how I consider men who are taller than me as well.
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#35Born into the most visible of minorities, I grew up comfortably and amongst the majority while being unable to change how I looked, or pick the family I was born into, or the color of my skin. The single thing I've seen over and over: The only way ignorance is destroyed is when we take a minute to turn a stranger into a person by first acknowledging their existence as a member of our human family, and if possible lea…
have to be twice as good in as twice as many ways as others to get half the respect
To have a really open discussion about this I think it's important to mention the disconnect between what people think is important and what get's people promoted. One of the least obvious examples is a willingness to leave.
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#36So the theory presented here is: = Attractive women are disproportionately hired and promoted. Many of these attractive women are not intelligent enough for upper management therefore there is a limit to how high these women reach in an organization. At the same time, less attractive women languish in the lower rungs, far below their intellectual potential. Furthermore, this phenomena does not affect men because they…
I interpreted the essay differently.
The article claims that, early on in the hiring process, women get filtered based on attractiveness. As they move up in the organization, they then get filtered based on ability.
So, the reason that we see so few female CEOs is that the survivors have been filtered for attractiveness and ability, while the men have only been filtered based on ability.
Sounds plausible to me, but I'm not in good a position to say.
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#37I'm no expert, but this hasn't convinced me yet:
1. The author shows one anecdotal example of the effect being claimed, and then claims that it's a large factor based again, on wholly anecdotal factors. 2. The author uses as evidence that two CEOs that they can think of are attractive. I don't need to go into the statistics to point out how ridiculous this is. 3. Of CEOs who are women, there aren't any exceptional levels of beauty present, v everywhere else in the world. 4. There are several more likely explanations for this effect than this one. 5. That attractiveness is correlated with pay doesn't mean that attractiveness is being selected for. It can also imply that self-confident people are more likely to be successful, which I believe studies have shown in the past. 6. While claiming not to, this article feeds into the narrative of 'attractive women must be stupid,' by implying that attractive women, having clearly been selected for their attractiveness, will tend to be less intelligent.
I'm not saying this isn't something that happens. I'm stating that I'm not convinced attractive women getting hired is a primary problem, rather than, perhaps, sexism in hiring and promoting practices, which has been demonstrated at just about every level of employment.
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#38Here are the female CEO's of the fortune 500. Meg Whitman, HP (#10) Virginia Rometty, IBM (#19) Patricia A. Woertz, Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) (#28) Indra K. Nooyi, PepsiCo, Inc. (#41) Irene B. Rosenfeld, Mondelez International Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed Martin (#58) Ellen J. Kullman, DuPont (#72) Phebe Novakovic, General Dynamics (#92) Carol M. Meyrowitz, The TJX Companies, Inc. (#125) Ursula M. Burns, Xero…
With image links so you can judge for yourself whether the conclusions of the article hold true or not. Personally I don't think so. Whilst I wouldn't describe any of these hugely succesful women as unattractive, I think they would compare to the attractiveness ratings of male CEOs (also a bit above average). Meg Whitman, HP (#10) https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Meg+Whitman&tbm=isch Virginia Rometty, IBM (#19) http…
As a whole, I think that's definitely a good-looking group of women.
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#39Interestingly, I just spoke with a colleague yesterday who admitted (without shame) that he recently campaigned (successfully) to have an attractive female hired into his group. I asked him about her qualifications, and he said she seemed capable, but not exceptional. He stressed that, at least to him, her appearance outweighted her abilities. Incidents like this make me wonder if some sort of anonymous interviewing…
I honestly hope you acquainted your colleague with HR.
That's completely unacceptable behavior. (And I know that I personally wouldn't want that job if those had been the hiring criteria)
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#40So the theory presented here is: = Attractive women are disproportionately hired and promoted. Many of these attractive women are not intelligent enough for upper management therefore there is a limit to how high these women reach in an organization. At the same time, less attractive women languish in the lower rungs, far below their intellectual potential. Furthermore, this phenomena does not affect men because they…
The assumption is that women selected for attractiveness are, on average, less intelligent than women selected for intelligence. That doesn't mean attractive women are less intelligent than unattractive women.
Yes. More generally, the principle here is you can only optimize for one thing.