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Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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So you have to use their earbuds? Hrm.

No, there are earbuds from other companies compatible with Apple's remote stuff. There's also an extension cord with which you can make any earbuds remote-compatible (though you'll have to deal with the cable mess). See this review for some examples: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2009/02/13/replacement-ipho...

So you have to buy specially-compatible earbuds or a remote extension cord? Hrm.

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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For the techies here: At first I was wondering how the hell they fit a text to speech engine in that little package - but in the vid they explain that the new shuffle's VoiceOver feature uses a different voice for windows and mac. Ahhhh. So it seems that they must be getting the OS to do the text to speech, store the output as little audio files alongside each track/playlist and then play them back when the user requ…

If they used a custom chip, I bet they could fit a text-to-speech engine in less chip space than the flash required to store the prerecorded audio of the track information.

Sure, they could fit a crappy TTS engine on a chip, but Alex (what Apple is using) is 670MB. I suspect a 4GB Shuffle has significantly less than 670MB worth of voice clips in it.

http://watchingapple.com/2008/05/voices/ http://gannett-hscp.blogspot.com/2008/03/biggest-file-in-leo...

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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If they used a custom chip, I bet they could fit a text-to-speech engine in less chip space than the flash required to store the prerecorded audio of the track information.

Sure, they could fit a crappy TTS engine on a chip, but Alex (what Apple is using) is 670MB. I suspect a 4GB Shuffle has significantly less than 670MB worth of voice clips in it. http://watchingapple.com/2008/05/voices/ http://gannett-hscp.blogspot.com/2008/03/biggest-file-in-leo...

FYI, you need to sync from Leopard to get Alex on the shuffle, both Tiger and Windows use a lower quality voice (so says Daring Fireball).

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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The first music player that talks to you? You don't even have to look outside of Apple's own product line up to see that's not true, the Nano has it. http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/specs.html "Spoken menus allow listeners to hear many of the names of menus, song titles, and artists without viewing the screen."

Yeah, I caught that too. I think it's safe to assume they mean "the first music player that talks to you as it's primary form of interaction".

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they used a custom chip, I bet they could fit a text-to-speech engine in less chip space than the flash required to store the prerecorded audio of the track information.

Sure, they could fit a crappy TTS engine on a chip, but Alex (what Apple is using) is 670MB. I suspect a 4GB Shuffle has significantly less than 670MB worth of voice clips in it. http://watchingapple.com/2008/05/voices/ http://gannett-hscp.blogspot.com/2008/03/biggest-file-in-leo...

The voice from that link doesn't sound that much better than the text-to-speech engine that came with my 16-bit soundblaster sound card in 1992. It certainly didn't take up 670 Mb. Sure Alex is better, but it apparently takes orders of magnitude of complexity to get just a small improvement.

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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So you have to use their earbuds? Hrm.

I would guess that 80% of shuffle owners (maybe even all iPod owners) use the default earbuds. For the ones that don't, I'd also wager that the aftermarket community will offer an in-line adapter that adds the buttons capability to any set of standard headphones/earphones.

This was the string of logic I followed. The people who will be most upset by the need for a converter are the ones who are hardcore fans. Like for my workouts I use behind the head headphones rather than earbuds. But the majority of users stick with the standard earbuds.

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, they could fit a crappy TTS engine on a chip, but Alex (what Apple is using) is 670MB. I suspect a 4GB Shuffle has significantly less than 670MB worth of voice clips in it. http://watchingapple.com/2008/05/voices/ http://gannett-hscp.blogspot.com/2008/03/biggest-file-in-leo...

FYI, you need to sync from Leopard to get Alex on the shuffle, both Tiger and Windows use a lower quality voice (so says Daring Fireball).

yep, looks like the OP was right after all: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/03/11/ipod-shuffle-voi...

Alex takes up 18% of Leopard.

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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incredibly popular shuffle feature I agree that the shuffle iPod itself is very popular but do many people actually use the shuffle feature ? I like the shuffle because it's small and light-weight - even my first generation one. Which has 512MB - my factor-of-ten improvement rule means it's approximately time to upgrade.

Yep, every day, for while I'm running.

Re: Apple Announces New iPod shuffle

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Usability is a serious concern, because most navigation is done with one button, Click, Double-click, Triple-click. Click-and-hold. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3458 The one exception is stepping through playlists - with the volume controls. It's modal (modeful?), so you have to track of the state of the device to know the meaning of the controls.

This is terrible UI design, and very unlike Apple. A symptom of Steve's absence?

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