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Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Hopefully Gnome 3.6 will be a bit more mature and address some of the concerns people have with it, although MATE is now a first-class package in the Fedora repository for those who can't stand Gnome 3. Looking at the feature list, there are relatively few blockbuster features, but I'd be interested to know how useful people think the Active Directory support is, relative to support in other Linux distros (or OSX for…

Fedora 18 includes Cinnamon: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ I think it is a very good option if you don't like Gnome 3 but want to benefit from all the new stuff (ie. GTK+ 3) with a more traditional desktop interface.

I've just upgraded this machine and lasted about three hours before I couldn't take Unity any more. Cinnamon is a really nice lightweight alternative which still makes a nice and (to me) sensible distinction between applications and instances of them.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

> I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier than in Fedora.

Hm, could you elaborate? Adding a repo is usually "wget .repo file into /etc/yum.repos.d/" which doesn't seem harder to me than editing sources.list (about the same, really). What's soured your experience?

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

Arch? Don't know if they support SELinux, but they use SystemD and are rolling-release. For me, the 6-month release cycle is a major reason why I am using Fedora rather than Arch. With a rolling release, I am constantly distracted by monitoring what is new; 6-month releases allow me to batch my curiosity into 1-2 days of heightened but less prolonged distraction.

Upgrades in Arch often require manual editing of files and an understanding what is done. Sadly that is not suitable for "friends and family".

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Anyone want to create highlights for those of us with a short attention span?

The firewall daemon firewalld will be the default firewall solution for Fedora 18, replacing iptables. Using firewalld will allow for application of policy changes without reloading, allowing connection states to stay unbroken when rules are changed. UEFI Secure Boot will be supported in Fedora 18. This will allow Fedora to boot on systems that have Secure Boot enabled. Tools are available for administrators to creat…

Thanks for that. God I hope firewalld has more intuitive config than iptables.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

Have you given any thought to ArchBang? Seems ideal for your situation. It's Arch with a default configuration so that you don't have to edit any files and it installs as easily as Ubuntu.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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If there were a rolling release Fedora, I'd be all over that as a drop-in alternative to Ubuntu for friends and family. * Systemd > Upstart in performance usability (for me, at least). * selinux > apparmor when properly integrated (personal preference, but it sees more active development and feature parity). * RPMs and debs are basically the same thing except not. I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier t…

> I have to say adding repos in Ubuntu is much easier than in Fedora. Hm, could you elaborate? Adding a repo is usually "wget .repo file into /etc/yum.repos.d/" which doesn't seem harder to me than editing sources.list (about the same, really). What's soured your experience?

I'd assume he's referencing the "apt-add-repository" with ppm support, which automatically takes care of editing sources, adding GPG keys to sign the downloads, and rebuilding the repo list, in one shot. It's not dramatically different than Fedora, but it's different enough you do appreciate it after awhile.

Re: Fedora 18 "Spherical Cow" released

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The firewall daemon firewalld will be the default firewall solution for Fedora 18, replacing iptables. Using firewalld will allow for application of policy changes without reloading, allowing connection states to stay unbroken when rules are changed. UEFI Secure Boot will be supported in Fedora 18. This will allow Fedora to boot on systems that have Secure Boot enabled. Tools are available for administrators to creat…

Thanks for that. God I hope firewalld has more intuitive config than iptables.

It's just a wrapper overtop.

That said, it likely is more intuitive :)

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