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Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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I probably shouldn't even delve into commenting on a stream that has turned a positive blog article into "atlanta is racist". strange.

I grew up in Atlanta but have lived in Chicago, Washington state, Florida and Tokyo, Japan. I now live in Mountain View, California in the heart of the valley.

Atlanta is a great place to live, raise a family and has its own unique tech/geek/startup culture. It's hard to compare the valley to Atlanta - but that's true with any other location on the planet. Silicon Valley is unique and difficult to replicate.

These types of "centers" happen because of aggregation of people and resources. Nashville has an aggregation that supports country music, Atlanta has hip-hop, LA has Hollywood, D.C. has politics and NYC still is the financial capital of the world. Silicon Valley is just the technology capital of the world. With any rule, you have exceptions - plenty of great technology companies come out of Vancouver, Seattle, Portland and Denver (just to name a few).

What Atlanta and all other places should focus on isn't how to replicate the valley - but instead, how to create their own unique place which highlights and rewards their own achievements and strengths. It will take a lot of constituents to make that happen - entrepreneurs, investors, law makers and educators.

One stark contrast that might be worth exploring is the difference between the Valley and other locations is reinvestment through the social contract. In the Valley, there is a very strong sense of a social contract from entrepreneurs to entrepreneurs (and investors to entrepreneurs). I feel a much stronger sense of success which breeds more success (or help, resources, guidance and mentorship). In fact, anecdotally, it seems like way more entrepreneurs "who make it big" in the valley, attempt to repeat - either directly in their own subsequent startups or minimally through very active advising and investment in younger upstarts. I would contrast that to Atlanta where I believe that's more of the exception than the norm. (Plenty of people have such as John Imlay, Mitch Free, Alan Graber, Tom Noonon, just to name a few). My own personal assessment is that it might be because there are (a) fewer very large exits in Atlanta, (b) it's easier to retire with less money in Atlanta and (c) there's no peer pressure to do it again.

Recently, however, I'm very encouraged by all of the entrepreneurs that have decided to take things into their own hands. Atlanta knows who they are (Lance Weatherby, Scott Burkett, Sanjay Parekh and all the guys at Shotput Ventures like David Cummings and Mitch Free). I've long said it's the entrepreneurs that will "save Atlanta" -- if there is such as thing that people believe is necessary.

I'm very much rooting for Atlanta. Not to become yet-another-failed-silicon-valley replication attempt. Wow, gives a f* about that. I'm rooting for Atlanta to become it's own identity: something more powerful, more creative, more sustainable and more unique. Something that people say: "you can only do that in Atlanta".

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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One big problem with starting businesses in the South is racism and intolerance of outsiders. A key part of Silicon Valley is attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world, and it's going to be hard to do that in Atlanta. For example (from Wikipedia), Atlanta is 2% Asian. San Francisco is 33% Asian. In fact 36% of San Franciscans were born outside the US. edit: I do not mean to say that southern == racist. Fa…

Are you speaking from experience, or your own prejudice? How about this - many Asians settle in CA because it means they are only a plane trip away from relatives in Asia. As an example: JFK to Manila means a travel time of 24 hours due to 1 or 2 stops; LAX or SFO to Manila if going direct is 12 hours. Nothing to do whatsoever with "racism and intolerance".

There are many more Asians in the Northeast, though, and they are on the same coast as some of these Southern states.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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One big problem with starting businesses in the South is racism and intolerance of outsiders. A key part of Silicon Valley is attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world, and it's going to be hard to do that in Atlanta. For example (from Wikipedia), Atlanta is 2% Asian. San Francisco is 33% Asian. In fact 36% of San Franciscans were born outside the US. edit: I do not mean to say that southern == racist. Fa…

Silicon Valley: Bastion of tolerance.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Palo_Altos_Top_Cop_Enco...

I do agree that if someone is seeking out a tolerant place, they're probably going to rule out the South based on the way it's typically caricatured. California has the opposite reputation, though I don't think it really deserves it.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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One big problem with starting businesses in the South is racism and intolerance of outsiders. A key part of Silicon Valley is attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world, and it's going to be hard to do that in Atlanta. For example (from Wikipedia), Atlanta is 2% Asian. San Francisco is 33% Asian. In fact 36% of San Franciscans were born outside the US. edit: I do not mean to say that southern == racist. Fa…

I lived in Atlanta for 10 years (went to school at Georgia Tech). I moved there when the population just hit 2MM; now its 5.5MM!!...back in the day when you would expect it to be _more_ racist. I am now married to a Chinese lady. I've lived in Shanghai the last 9 years. I wouldn't worry at all abut moving my wife and 4-year-old "hybrid" son to Atlanta. Neither would I worry about moving them to my very small home tow…

I lived in Atlanta for 7 years. (went to school at Georgia Tech too). I moved there when the population hit 3M. Honestly, I did not like the startup scene there, I moved out and now live in the Bay Area. I'm an Asian American and there really is no diversity unless you live on Buford Hwy... at least nothing compared to living in SF/Bay Area. You don't notice the racism there until you move out. People here in the bay area don't really care where you're from or what's your background. It's incredibly refreshing!

If you're white, you probably don't notice the racism. If you're not white, I'm sure you'd notice it. The African American population in Atlanta often think that all Asians living there came from oversees.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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I am speaking from the experience of having lived in Ohio, North Carolina, and San Francisco. The proximity to Asia is definitely another factor, but there is definitely at least a perception of racism in the South that discourages Asian and foreigners from moving there.

Even though you are wrong, and speak from inexperience and prejudice, your opinion does point out something important: people like you have a prejudice against Atlanta as 'backwards' because it is in a region with different social problems than you are used to.

As an Asian who has lived in Atlanta for 7 years, I can definitely tell you that it's not friendly to live there as an Asian. Well, it's better than some places, but it's definitely crappy compared to the Bay Area or Boston.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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I don't know how in the heck an article answering the questions that PG posed turned into a string of comments about racism and calling people meatheads. But since someone opened the door and let the big elephant in the room, I am going to go ahead and admit that it's standing there. The sub-culture of technology startups is dominated by white males. Minorities are not represented at the same proportion of their gene…

The sub-culture of technology startups is dominated by white males. Minorities are not represented at the same proportion of their general population percentages anywhere in the country. I think this misses the point. In Silicon Valley, several minority populations are well-represented in the startup community. In particular, many startups are started by Asians and by people born outside the U.S. These groups are muc…

You're very right. In fact, 30% of SV startups are by non-Americans. And there are huge networks in SV representing all kinds of minorities, from Indians to Chinese to Filipino to Afghan. There's even one around African entrepreneurs (note, not African American).

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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One big problem with starting businesses in the South is racism and intolerance of outsiders. A key part of Silicon Valley is attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world, and it's going to be hard to do that in Atlanta. For example (from Wikipedia), Atlanta is 2% Asian. San Francisco is 33% Asian. In fact 36% of San Franciscans were born outside the US. edit: I do not mean to say that southern == racist. Fa…

Well, sort of. There are large Asian communities in the suburbs between Buford Highway and Duluth, and the Asian population of Georgia Tech (around which most startups are based) is not insignificant. While racism is a problem in the South, thats not going to be an issue for hackers in the city. Quite the opposite: Atlanta is a diverse, tolerant place.

Erm, I guess you have a higher threshold for tolerance. Every time I board Marta, I'm usually mocked by someone of African American decent there. And almost every time I have to explain that I grew up here, I'm as American as you, yada yada. And these Marta stations are pretty close to downtown (Midtown, Peachtree, Lindbergh station, etc) Diverse? Partially. Tolerant? No.

Diversity is nothing compared to SF. Atlanta has whites, blacks, and latinos. You won't find a significant percentage of another. Even on Buford Highway where the majority of Asian grocery stores are, you'll find that Latinos outnumber the Asian population 2:1. California has a good mix of everyone, it's the reason I love it here.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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Atlanta is diverse and tolerant by the standards of Georgia, but it is a far cry from California or NYC. Just the perception of the entire South as an unfriendly place for non-white people will prevent many people from moving there. Plus, it is hard to attract immigrants - a lot of smart hacker immigrants would never move to a "red state".

Right, but I don't think you've actually spent any time in Atlanta, because what you are saying is wrong. I live here, and I've spent time in California, North Carolina, Ohio, all the places you mention and Atlanta is as tolerant as California. Midtown Atlanta is the most gay accepting place outside of West Hollywood or the Castro, and if you think there is a shortage of Asians here you've obviously never been here.…

What? Where do you live in Atlanta? I've spent the last 7 years in Atlanta and I can tell you that it's not as tolerant as you think. I spent about 3 years living in Canlen Walk (Near the intersection of 85 & Buford Hwy), 4 years on the Georgia Tech campus. What ethnicity are you?

I can count many times walking from shops near the Varsity around North Ave when I encounter African Americans, they always ching-chong me thinking I'm from out of the country. I'm like dude, I've lived in America for as long as you have.

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sort of. There are large Asian communities in the suburbs between Buford Highway and Duluth, and the Asian population of Georgia Tech (around which most startups are based) is not insignificant. While racism is a problem in the South, thats not going to be an issue for hackers in the city. Quite the opposite: Atlanta is a diverse, tolerant place.

Atlanta is diverse and tolerant by the standards of Georgia, but it is a far cry from California or NYC. Just the perception of the entire South as an unfriendly place for non-white people will prevent many people from moving there. Plus, it is hard to attract immigrants - a lot of smart hacker immigrants would never move to a "red state".

> a lot of smart hacker immigrants would never move to a "red state".

As someone who isn't an American I can't really weigh in on this statement but there is plenty of data that suggests that hackers would live in a "red state".

California was a red state for all of the 60's through to the end of the 80's and silicon valley thrived during that time.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/...

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=19761

Re: Could Atlanta Buy A Silicon Valley?

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I don't know how in the heck an article answering the questions that PG posed turned into a string of comments about racism and calling people meatheads. But since someone opened the door and let the big elephant in the room, I am going to go ahead and admit that it's standing there. The sub-culture of technology startups is dominated by white males. Minorities are not represented at the same proportion of their gene…

I am an Asian American, doing a startup in Silicon Valley, and I have not experienced discrimination because of the color of my skin. There are plenty of Asian American CEOs, Angels, and VCs everywhere. Perhaps, if anything, a little disproportionate to the true percentage of Asian Americans in California.

According to the stats posted below disproportionate to the tune of 50%.
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