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This combination of username and opinion are very confusing.
Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
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Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Either they're using GenAI or the entire team collectively lost their minds and started getting a huge number of colossally bad ideas about fundamental primitives of Windows that hadn't changed for decades. Backwards compatibility used to be the major concern and now it feels like they didn't even know what would break ahead of time. If that doesn't feel like GenAI then I don't know what does
Believe it or not, I find it more plausible that the entire team collectively lost their minds — or more specifically, the leadership. There's a long and sordid history of such things that goes back well before GenAI.
I suspect their experienced senior engineers that actually knew the products have left, and they cannot attract talent like they once did.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#33Joey Hess is unimpressed. See https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Debian_and_the_sirens/
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#34New policy boils down to "AI or not, it's still your code and you're responsible for it". I can get on board with that.
Linus Torvalds regarding the Linux kernel is reasonably similar. He views AI/LLMs as just another tool in the development process. Think about life before and after modern IDEs that features IntelliSense circa 2000. It was night and day. It did not make programmers dumber -- it was a new tool.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Debian is open source, there is no incentive to be "responsible for it", oh poor me, someone got a bug. If it's paid for through a job your argument is sound.
"Responsible for it" just means nobody has to tolerate shitty patches even if the reason they're shitty is because you neglected to pay attention to them. And if you blatantly fail to understand your own code or engage with reviewers, nobody has to trust that your LLM knew any better.
Well said. No one should trust an llm without verification/validation. They're just not good enough to do that and they have no sense of responsibility or ability to take it themselves. LLMs are empty.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#36New policy boils down to "AI or not, it's still your code and you're responsible for it". I can get on board with that.
Debian is open source, there is no incentive to be "responsible for it", oh poor me, someone got a bug. If it's paid for through a job your argument is sound.
Basically what you’re saying is that anything that exists outside of capitalist incentive structures isn’t allowed to have standards.
When I am at home practicing my musical instrument or learning to paint, those aren’t paid activities, so I can’t demand high standards for myself.
When Habitat for Humanity is looking for volunteers to do electrical and plumbing on homes, they have to allow unlicensed random folks do it.
This is not how life works at all.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#37New policy boils down to "AI or not, it's still your code and you're responsible for it". I can get on board with that.
This is the sensible option and well reasoned position, rather than a zero vote, total and complete ban by a single core maintainer, which is rather destructive for a project to do.
When you ask others that use AI frequently, the responsibility and understanding on what the agent wrote does not go away. You need to know what you are doing.
As soon as attackers are also using AI against your project, you have no choice but to use AI to protect yourself.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#38New policy boils down to "AI or not, it's still your code and you're responsible for it". I can get on board with that.
My employer has this policy. We also have a strong code review process. But it all crumbles in the face of developers burning out as management thinks we can move way faster and being overloaded with code that had little thought put into it.
Re: Debian votes to allow "responsible use of generative AI"
#39New policy boils down to "AI or not, it's still your code and you're responsible for it". I can get on board with that.
Well, Debian has the benefit that the project has no trouble at all saying "no". Most open source communities have a difficult time with that.
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