it's for sure better than deepseek flash 07/31
Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
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Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#32Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?
That benchmark is super sus. Until someone pointed it out, the top performing open weights model was a Kimi K3 fine tune from their sponsor (abacusai/Smaug-Agentic). Now, it's not on the list.
Source: https://twitterwebviewer.com/?tweet=2091116504787935350
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two potentials from my pov: 1. Just variance in pass@K. If you prompt any model multiple times you'll see a large variance. N=1, but I find chinese open source models have a higher variance than higher-RL'd models like fable/opus. 2. They legitimately shipped a new RL checkpoint over the 7 days, which I find hard to believe. I am leaning towards 1.
2. There was a new checkpoint. Official.
do you have reference to where it was said?
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#34Releasing weights is the right move. Keeps them competitive with DeepSeek on the open side.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#35Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?
I really want to see hard evidence of distillation before I buy into it. Seems like a lot of sour grapes over not having the sort of lead assumed. In this field, it has been shown repeatedly that leaps in performance come swiftly and without notice.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
the 2nd website is not official, just something someone slopped together for some reason.
I have plenty of these websites, I can’t understand why someone is doing this.
It is called phishing and grifting.
Many people and even software engineers fall for this all the time.
Most of these people are from crypto pivoting to AI doing this.
AI has made this easier and cheaper and it is going to get a LOT worse.
Imagine lots of websites with typosquatting and looking exactly the same as another website, vibe coded and cloned within seconds.
The public have no chance.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#37There's a lot of brand confusion among the Chinese models right now. Kimi, Qwen, GLM, Z.ai, Ox. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor.
It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that ChatGPT and Gemini are two different things.
PS: some replies, especially if you do a deep dive on comment history, clearly expose the joint effort to drum up support for Chinese models. This has been clear on HN lately as anything even slightly critical of Chinese tech gets downvoted unnaturally quickly. One can just wonder what's behind the effort...
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#38Only reason people are interested is it’s free at the moment. I wasn’t impressed by its performance. Once the model gets a price tag it’s usage will be negligible.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#39Only reason people are interested is it’s free at the moment. I wasn’t impressed by its performance. Once the model gets a price tag it’s usage will be negligible.
It doesn’t rival deepseek v4 flash, and of course not deepseek v4 pro. This is my own impression.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#40There's a lot of brand confusion among the Chinese models right now. Kimi, Qwen, GLM, Z.ai, Ox. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor. It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that ChatGPT and Gemini are two different things. PS: some replies,…
I disagree. I think most users who are savvy enough to be using openweight models and/or running models locally are not dealing with the same level of confusion you are.
Ox is just GLM. And z.ai is the maker of GLM.
The main players in the openweight model market have been known for a while.
And they already have significant user penetration.