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Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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What does that mean, practically? The person who installed linux on that particular device is liable? >no algorithmic feeds for minors by default Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm. Maybe they want a simple or easily explainable algorithm?

They want an explanation of what an algorithm is. The world is full of people using words they don't understand and sometimes of them work in legislatures.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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You have to show ID to get voter registration in IL, regardless if you do it ahead of time or at the polls, it's just that the ID is not federal. The same situation (no federal ID needed, just proof of a portion of identity) is found with this and I really don't see either of those being measurably better/worse with a national ID.

Not that I would mind a national ID. It's a real annoyance moving between states & I'd love to say "sorry state xyz, I'm already registered nationally and don't need a regional ID" when I move.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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Not that I'm condoning it, but this law requires self-declaration, not verification. It might sound pedantic but the practical difference is huge. Self-declaration means that the system asks the user to declare if they are a minor. Nothing is verified. Age verification typically means a system which checks ID or has other enforcement measures to try to verify age.

Think of it like a foot in the door.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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What does that mean, practically? The person who installed linux on that particular device is liable? >no algorithmic feeds for minors by default Any choice of what content to display is an algorithm. Maybe they want a simple or easily explainable algorithm?

The text of the bill is here: https://ilga.gov/Legislation/BillStatus/FullText?GAID=18&Doc.... There's about 3.5 pages of text defining this.

The relevant text doesn't call it an "algorithmic feed" for what it's worth. They define an "addictive" feed and it's essentially any kind of personalized recommendation.

> "Addictive feed" means a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, or a portion thereof, in which multiple pieces of media generated or shared by users of a website, online service, online application, or mobile application, either concurrently or sequentially, are recommended, selected, or prioritized for display to a user based, in whole or in part, on information associated with the user or the user's device, unless any of the following conditions are met.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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Unpopular opinion, but this is objectively better than having to upload your ID to every random website that requires an age check (if that's what the end result is).

In the sense that a website could just ask your OS if you are over a certain age and that age was self declared? That seems fine to me, but why can't the websites just ask me for my self declared age?

That's how things used to be and that makes more sense in my opinion because an OS isn't the thing displaying content. It just run whatever it is told to run.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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I'm surprised we're not seeing heaps of lawsuits here. Age verification in general violates privacy.

lawsuits for what? AFAIK you have no right to privacy in this sense

Legislating that all complex computing devices must give out your birthday (technically a "signal" of which bucket you're in, but sites are absolutely going to keep track of which bucket you where in, keep asking, and see when it changes).

It's constitutional case law that there's an implicit right to privacy in the constitution. I don't see a law that you must wear a band with your birthday out in public passing muster based on that. I don't see why existing in cyberspace changes the inherent privacy question, and in fact makes it more meaningful given ease of automation.

Re: Illinois just passed a law that puts Linux on the hook for age verification

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So in red states porn is being used, and in blue states TikTok and Instagram are being used. Is anyone tracking who is behind the concerted efforts here? For example, which organizations, executives, lobbyists and politicians are valid and responsible parties?

This seems to have more information. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...
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