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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by detourdog »

blharr wrote: post #16
gaigalas wrote: post #6

> Everyone will have an exceptionally capable personal agent that understands you, your goals, and everything you care about. "One machine for every man, woman and children of Zion. Sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." Morpheus It's a joke. OR IS IT? Yes it is, don't worry about it.

Its weird to me that this is supposed to be THE end goal. Having an agent that does "everything" for you sounds like no paradise. It sounds depressing. Maybe there is value in expending effort and actual creativity.

I think this is just the flaw in the sales pitch. They want it to be inevitable so they describe as doing everything. That way it will appear more useful to more people. If they presented a realistic view of what is going it wouldn't be as interesting.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by lumost »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

There is no requirement to own the hardware. Even if you own your servers and GPUs - you would not own the power plant, real estate, or internet infrastructure to support it.

It's trivial to rent all of the above components in a competitive market under different periods, you may simply rent the token output from someone who put in the effort on this as well.

An open frontier model induces margin compression on training and inference prices across the industry.

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

This is like claiming that Linux isn't open because you don't have a PC. Models can be open-weight even if you don't have the hardware to run them.

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Post by rft »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

I get that argument, but I don't think it is that bad. Open weights that are out of reach for local use are still within reach for groups of people or small to medium companies. Even if you only rent enough cloud GPUs to run the weights for a few hours, you still get to do anything you want with it.

Worst case you can still archive the weights and hope for capable hardware to get affordable. At the same time this archive is the base line for a new frontier lab to start over if required. I see open weights as a pure upside even though I can't run the bigger models in my home lab.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Yizahi »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

In short - this is Mark deliberately lying in a way which requires a page of difficult text to explain, which hardly anyone would read and so Mark bets that a majority of the people who will see his claim will believe him.

And the reason he does it, and the reason other CEOs do it is a cheap viral advertisement and keeping in the headlines. "Mark - The Defender Of The Humans!". Blegh...

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Post by hk__2 »

asa123 wrote: post #24
fsuts wrote: post #7

Meta were fined by Mexico a few days ago so the timing today of a Meta doing good exercise is probably not coincidental https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2026-08-07/meta-order...

new mexico == mexico

I’m surprised Trump hasn’t proposed to rename Mexico "Old Mexico".

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Post by [deleted] »

ben_w wrote: post #8
gaigalas wrote: post #6

> Everyone will have an exceptionally capable personal agent that understands you, your goals, and everything you care about. "One machine for every man, woman and children of Zion. Sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." Morpheus It's a joke. OR IS IT? Yes it is, don't worry about it.

Still say Matrix 3 would have been better if the cliffhanger at the end of 2 had been that "the real world" was just another nested layer of the Matrix for those who rejected the primary fiction. I mean, why bother sending an army like that when one tiny robot could carry in a plague? Or, as demonstrated by Smith, when an Agent can virally infect and take over someone's mind while they're connected? Even in 1, Smith…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by vehemenz »

wolttam wrote: post #18
antonmks wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many em dashes...

There really wasn’t that many and this did not have the voice of written-by-an-LLM to me And they’re not em-dashes -- they’re double hyphens.

This is unneedfully obtuse. Double hyphens are a stand-in for em dashes in most contexts.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Yizahi »

forestrywat wrote: post #5

Is this "I'm losing so I think we should change the rules"? Because it seems like that.

That, and also redefining what a word "open" means, helps him avoid direct financial and criminal responsibility for stealing other people's data. Not that there was any real chance of that ever, but he is reducing that remaining 0.000000001% chance even lower.
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