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70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well a lot of money is being spent, but is a lot of money being made? With circular deals it’s hard to tell.

NVIDIA, Micron, SK Hynix, and other hardware manufacturers, and also hyperscalers are the ones making the hard cash (unless you’re Oracle, that company is more than fucked)

They’re also at the centre of a lot of circular deals, nvidia in particular is notorious for it and still doing it.

From last month: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-27/nvidia-s-...

Or from 2025: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/15/a-guide-to-1-trillion-worth-...

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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"Because Goldman does this kind of nonsense." Hilarious. You can agree or disagree with Zitron but he really has no business talking about Goldman Sachs. His posts are littered with evidence he has no ability to perform the type of financial analysis he thinks he does.

Mind sharing more details?

One example - he often compares current revenues to capex being spent on future capacity to claim that AI companies aren't profitable. (See this post for example: https://www.wheresyoured.at/am-i-meant-to-be-impressed/ .)

But this ignores that the capex spent to build more capacity is expected to generate additional future revenue. You don't need to recoup your capex immediately. A better approach would be to amortize the capex and compare revenues to that.

Clearly he assumes revenue won't increase enough to recoup this level of capex (and it's very possible it won't) but IMO it's either a miscalculation of how the financing works or a deliberately misleading framing to compare current small revenues to a big scary capex number.

I'm sure the above is simplified by the way, but I am confident that people who work at Goldman understand the relevant details extremely well.

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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post #6

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The general concern (from him and others) is that the cloud providers are making extremely large capex commitments (borrowing, going cashflow negative) to satisfy demand from a small number of customers who may not be able to pay them.

> to satisfy demand from a small number of customers who may not be able to pay them Because a lot of isn't real demand, e.g. given away for free or very very cheap.

That’s really secondary, they don’t have the money and it’s not clear they will.

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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You can like the character or not, but there is a trend I’m following ( heavily vested in NVIDIA, so tongue in cheek when I say this ) that might be highly align with Zitron. Looking at the moves from NVIDIA ( Groq )and AMD ( Taalas ) which are pure inference plays. I believe this shows that the impetus to train a better-bigger model might be coming to a level of maturity that might merit a serious threat to the frontier labs.

For frontier labs, their fund-train-new model play might not be as effective, and a shift of spent of compute cost moving away from training to inference might be a tell-tell sign of the LLM as we know it plateauing out as scale is just not as effective. Open models might also be placing a major pressure on meeting then revenue targets need to sustain the model, lots of customer hosting their own inference to mitigate costs.

If you only move the needle just slightly in the direction of inference, frontier labs will soon loose their alphas. Becoming just another SaaS for inference might not be as attractive unless you are Google/MSF ( IMHO ).

Should this pan out, it could be a scenario where the NeoClouds could soon loose their biggest customers, so I tend to agree with that aspect of Zitron’s view.

Thoughts?

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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There's a lot of money changing hands, at least that's a spoil isn't it? And if the music stops, someone is going to end up holding it.

Well a lot of money is being spent, but is a lot of money being made? With circular deals it’s hard to tell.

When somebody's spending someone else is making money.

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVIDIA, Micron, SK Hynix, and other hardware manufacturers, and also hyperscalers are the ones making the hard cash (unless you’re Oracle, that company is more than fucked)

They’re also at the centre of a lot of circular deals, nvidia in particular is notorious for it and still doing it. From last month: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-27/nvidia-s-... Or from 2025: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/15/a-guide-to-1-trillion-worth-...

I know, but NVIDIA is also the main beneficiary from that whole scheme, what they get out of it is actual cash. They hyperscalers have a more complicated role though

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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You can like the character or not, but there is a trend I’m following ( heavily vested in NVIDIA, so tongue in cheek when I say this ) that might be highly align with Zitron. Looking at the moves from NVIDIA ( Groq )and AMD ( Taalas ) which are pure inference plays. I believe this shows that the impetus to train a better-bigger model might be coming to a level of maturity that might merit a serious threat to the fron…

Inference time compute is the new scaling.

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind sharing more details?

Sure. Here's an example: https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-openai-financials/ Zitron wrote: > Additional factors – including interest income and interest expense – left it with a net loss of $8.84 billion. It then marked $3.74 billion of losses as “net loss attributable to noncontrolling members capital,” leaving the net loss attributable to the company as $5.09 billion. > It’s unclear what this means, nor how Op…

But how does that detract from the overall point that Open AI is losing billions of dollars? If there's an insatiable demand for AI compute, where's the profit?

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind sharing more details?

Sure. Here's an example: https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-openai-financials/ Zitron wrote: > Additional factors – including interest income and interest expense – left it with a net loss of $8.84 billion. It then marked $3.74 billion of losses as “net loss attributable to noncontrolling members capital,” leaving the net loss attributable to the company as $5.09 billion. > It’s unclear what this means, nor how Op…

Maybe I am little confused here but what you just described here doesn't sound great either? What smaller entities who OpenAI is parent to lost 3.74 billion dollars?

Or maybe just can you point to some primary sources about this? I am not too bright about this stuff.. I guess I always thought it was usually about having more money than when you started? Or at least about having a story of how you will have more money? Is that not right?

Re: 70% of AI revenue comes from OpenAI and Anthropic [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well a lot of money is being spent, but is a lot of money being made? With circular deals it’s hard to tell.

When somebody's spending someone else is making money.

With circular deals it’s hard to tell.
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