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Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

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This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

This kind of thinking (we'll figure it out how to use it correctly, it is awesome technology) is not new. There was blockchain psychosis (blockchain/crypto solves everything!) for a decade, which is now replaced with AI will solve everything.

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#32

This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

This kind of thinking (we'll figure it out how to use it correctly, it is awesome technology) is not new. There was blockchain psychosis (blockchain/crypto solves everything!) for a decade, which is now replaced with AI will solve everything.

A bit of NFT madness to go with the Blockchain stuff too.

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#33

This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

This kind of thinking (we'll figure it out how to use it correctly, it is awesome technology) is not new. There was blockchain psychosis (blockchain/crypto solves everything!) for a decade, which is now replaced with AI will solve everything.

Is blockchain really your analogy here? Something that is also new?

You are proving my point.

You say it's "not new", but then don't seem to have any gauge of technological history. How long before the internet was monetized? 30 years?

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#34

Having worked at some giant firms that heavily depend on SAP, I would think their position as "system of record for procurement/production" would get stronger with AI. e.g. AI + a good database of what your company does seems like an excellent combination.

Or AI can be a threat: If AI can spit out good enough special purpose tools a lot of the SAP adaption business goes away. If AI then also assists in data migration the moat goes away.

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#35

This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

This kind of thinking (we'll figure it out how to use it correctly, it is awesome technology) is not new. There was blockchain psychosis (blockchain/crypto solves everything!) for a decade, which is now replaced with AI will solve everything.

The difference is that cryptocurrencies never had an obvious benefit beyond subverting the existing banking sector. A more apt comparison would be to cloud computing, which likewise had its host of detractors (“It’s just somebody else’s computer!”) but which brought very obvious benefits to small developers and enterprises which couldn’t host their own hardware.

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

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TL;DR: “Under the policy, only Al-related hiring, customer-facing travel and trips directly linked to the company's Al initiatives or mission-critical employee Al training are exempt, reflecting SAP's focus on "be disciplined in how we spend" while expanding its Al capabilities.” no-paywall: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49222851

I would pay to understand what mission critical employee Ai training is that can't be provided in other ways

Executive meet and greet

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would a technology famous for hallucinating data often enough, and in many context unable to guarantee it won't assume and hallucinate when it feels "confident enough" despite a robust system prompt, be really considered for a "system of record for procurement/production" usage? (yes yes RAG exists)

In the ERP space, AI is being used mostly for repetitive tasks, documentation and forecasting-type activities or where a non-deterministic answer might be useful. Scanning in documents and using OCR to create an order, asking what page I use to do X, historical demand modelling and constraint scheduling. Also have seen it used to do order flow type stuff like suggesting products to sell if they buy ABC. I'm not reall…

> Scanning in documents and using OCR to create an order,

I remember this being done more than 10 years ago.

The other uses cases you describe also were being done. Of course with AI maybe it’s become easier and cheaper?

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#38

This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

This kind of thinking (we'll figure it out how to use it correctly, it is awesome technology) is not new. There was blockchain psychosis (blockchain/crypto solves everything!) for a decade, which is now replaced with AI will solve everything.

This is reasoning from shallow similarity. If you have not been able to find areas where AI actually does solve things, I don't know what to tell you. Go look at the number of vulnerabilities being solved. Go look at the speed of their solves. On the opposite side, go look at the number of vulnerabilities being found and exploited. Go look at the speed of their being exploited. Yes, it's a negative externality, but it's an example of an extreme productivity boost, which is easy to measure. Take a minute dropping on YouTube or X and actually look for people who are making small scale manufacturing. Look at the speed of their development cycles. Not software development cycles, real world atom development cycles. And then compare it to the speed of their development as of five years ago. Notice a difference? Even the complaints of crypto, while valid, are a bit overstated given that there are hundreds of millions of people in third world countries where money transfers are not reliable, not stable, and they depend on crypto. Yes, there's a bunch of criminals as well. I agree. My point is superficial dismissal is head-in-the-sand behavior. And that's your choice. I mean, it's fine by me.

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#39

The big risk for these platforms is that AI reduces the cost to switch to another ERP. IF AI can map all of the data between two different competitors, the whole business model is finished

That is not what ERPs are used for.

Would love to hear how AI is going to help here. This is like a young engineer thinking the CDC machine they just bought, is going to make Airbus and Boeing obsolete...

Re: SAP stops most travel and hiring because of AI's soaring cost

#40

This "AI business" has really opened my eyes to how..insane the average person is, and just how bad discourse has gotten. Look at the conversation: people are writing off this technology (on a tech forum no less) as useless, because it can make mistakes. We criticize the cost, and the business models, and the companies, the purveyors and users. Why? Because we don't quite understand how best to use it...3 years in. P…

What I find the most amusing is ... "AI code is crap". I think I heard enough time "this codebase is shit, we need a full rewrite" to know that no one agrees what is quality code.

Suddenly, everyone are expert writing the most elegant, clean and without bug code.

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