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Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

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Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

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> Hand-written real-mode 8086. No C, no linker, no runtime library. More like hand-prompted...

And LLMs are still confidently bullshitting:

> Everything after that is the interface you remember from a 1984 Macintosh: […] and a dock along the bottom with one tile per running program.

In that case I look forward to seeing OS X’s Aqua ported to the IBM PS/2.

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#34
> The graphical operating system that could have been for the IBM XT

Visi On[1] was a graphical operating system for the IBM PC that actually existed as a commercial product, though definitely not a very successful one. It was made by VisiCorp, the same company that created VisiCalc (the first spreadsheet for a personal computer).

It was demoed at COMDEX in 1982, before the Apple Lisa was released. It came out after the Lisa but slightly before the Macintosh.

Here's their promotional video from 1983: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc4wFeVvKTI

Fun fact: Bill Gates saw the demo at COMDEX, and at first he was skeptical that it was really running on an IBM PC. But ultimately he was so impressed he decided[2] to start developing a product called Microsoft Windows.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visi_On

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised Claude is actually decent at real-mode Asm, but maybe there was a lot of attempts and guidance by the human.

Ive been throwing z80, 6502, 68000, 8086, i386 and x86_64 asm at it lately. Haven't seen it get stuck on any of them.

Do you think the low-level nature of ASM contribute to how successful the LLMs are with it?

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#36
post #7

> Hand-written real-mode 8086. No C, no linker, no runtime library. More like hand-prompted...

I’ve got nothing against AI-written code

But if people are going to post it on HN, they should consider at least writing the README / main page of their website by hand

It is nice to hear the human authorial voice, at least sometimes

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#37

> The graphical operating system that could have been for the IBM XT Visi On[1] was a graphical operating system for the IBM PC that actually existed as a commercial product, though definitely not a very successful one. It was made by VisiCorp, the same company that created VisiCalc (the first spreadsheet for a personal computer). It was demoed at COMDEX in 1982, before the Apple Lisa was released. It came out after…

This kinda almost makes it sound like VisiOn introduced Gates to the GUI which is not true. They were already using and developing for Macintosh machines at Microsoft and had hired Charles Simonyi from PARC with his expertise in GUI systems before Comdex 1982.

The story seems to be more that seeing VisiOn gave MS the nudge to get into action on the GUI due to a sense of competition/urgenbcy from VisiOn rather than learning about the GUI from VisiOn.

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#38
This is great -

It’s almost as impressive as the “GOS” written for Atari 8-bit running on 6502 at 1.79 MHz. Visually it’s almost identical but has a nicer font. The specs are somewhat similar with 16 task slots, calculator app and task manager, serial mouse support (ST mouse) and Atari’s hardware sprites helping with some of the graphics. The XOR window frame is the same idea. Amazingly, Atari GOS runs in 128K of RAM! One has to admire the work and inventiveness in these projects. See description and videos here:

https://atari8.co.uk/gui/

Re: Os8088: A powerful Mac-like OS for the IBM XT, 286, 386

#39
post #7

> Hand-written real-mode 8086. No C, no linker, no runtime library. More like hand-prompted...

And LLMs are still confidently bullshitting: > Everything after that is the interface you remember from a 1984 Macintosh: […] and a dock along the bottom with one tile per running program. In that case I look forward to seeing OS X’s Aqua ported to the IBM PS/2.

In that case I look forward to seeing OS X’s Aqua ported to the IBM PS/2.

If this project is any indication, AI can definitely make that happen too.

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