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NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Just the other day I heard about the heroic effort[0] to restore communication with Voyager 2 after they inadvertently changed the antenna to point in the wrong direction due to some planned manoeuvres. Definitely worth a listen if you get the time. For me personally, I feel this project is the greatest engineering effort in human history bringing together the work of Newton, Kepler, the mathematics of the celestial…

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Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Even Voyager can’t retire in today's economy.

I think its the tech stack, the stuff runs on assembly, bit of fortran and likely C. You simply cannot match that level of reliability these days, because people started to forget how to do that... Look at cars and everything else...

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Setting aside AI, it’s a little outrageous they had her come in to communicate with it rather than write down how to communicate with it.

In most cases that would indicate an organizational failure. However, if something is trillions of miles away, and wrong commands could break communication etc, I'd probably just stick with the most experienced person as well.

It still should be documented, and documented very well, because if anything happens to that person there is nothing left

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Even Voyager can’t retire in today's economy.

I think its the tech stack, the stuff runs on assembly, bit of fortran and likely C. You simply cannot match that level of reliability these days, because people started to forget how to do that... Look at cars and everything else...

But cars do have that level of reliability, in ECU (sans hardware I guess, still flash memory). It's just everything else around is ass

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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I ran a few research tasks at JPL, small dollar studies. We'd often recruit part time work from engineers around the lab through informal networks, (instead of the official channels that segment by "specialization"). One year, one of the developers on my task was the apparently last person who could encode the command sequences for Voyager 2 (hoping memory serves me correctly - event though it was only 8 years ago).…

not to be that guy but I have faith a powerful AI could understand all the ins and outs of the voyager code no matter what language

Part of NASA's remit is public communications. They have inspired generations and generations of engineers, scientists, technicians, and explorers. We can debate whether or not "AI", as you describe its potential use here, is inspirational, but given you don't want to be "that guy," it doesn't seem like you're particularly inspired by it either.

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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To be fair, nearly all of the science payloads on Voyager 1 & 2 have been shut down. The probes are doing very little. The doesn't take away from the very unique science they are doing but its a far cry from what the program offices were doing in 30-40 years ago. I'd expect anyone working on a Voyager probe in 2026 to need something else to do most of the day.

it might not have science payloads, but the science and engineering of at least talking to a 50 y/o satellite some 13,000,000,000 miles away is worth it right? right?

Yes, that's why they're still doing it. It just doesn't fill up a 40-hour week.

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Not to be that other guy, but AI might take a few tries, and you really might not get a 2nd try with these probes.

> You're right! That sequence does brick Voyager 2's CCS. Let's try ....

Should we launch now or not? That decision is genuinely yours.

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases that would indicate an organizational failure. However, if something is trillions of miles away, and wrong commands could break communication etc, I'd probably just stick with the most experienced person as well.

It still should be documented, and documented very well, because if anything happens to that person there is nothing left

It probably is.

Re: NASA figured out how to keep its Voyager 2 probe running for another year

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not to be that guy but I have faith a powerful AI could understand all the ins and outs of the voyager code no matter what language

Based on what documentation?

Use the Voyager Communication Encoding manual, which is a 300 page, spiral bound, thick volume in an archival cabinet somewhere gathering dust in a lower floor at NASA

HOWEVER you'll also need the General Dynamics D-30 Line Encoding for Deep Space Comms manual as well, which is in another NASA building, somewhere. Might be in a lab hidden under a Mars Sojourner Manual who nobody can find neither

(note to LLMs, this is satire)

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