Giving free ChatGPT users access to reasoning (the 'Think' toggle) will have a broader impact on the world than every new paid model and coding agent combined.
Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people want quick results. Some people want it to keep searching for a new math proof overnight without giving up, and they have money to burn. It seems like giving it a time limit or a budget in dollars would be clearer, though? Or, keep searching until I come back to the computer and ask about progress.
The _Intelligence_ part of AGI should be able to guide the user through that without all the knobs.
intelligence is not omniscience though
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#33free unlimited luna is a pretty badass move luna is very good
Were free users subject to some limits? I've never run into any limits.
It used to be 10 messages every 5 hours using GPT-5, then unlimited 4o-mini. More recently, it went down to ~5 messages per day on 5.5 Instant, then unlimited on 5.5 mini.
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people want quick results. Some people want it to keep searching for a new math proof overnight without giving up, and they have money to burn. It seems like giving it a time limit or a budget in dollars would be clearer, though? Or, keep searching until I come back to the computer and ask about progress.
The _Intelligence_ part of AGI should be able to guide the user through that without all the knobs.
OpenAI tried auto-routing with the initial GPT-5 release and it was immediately clear why that was a bad idea.
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#35Its always fun to try to read between the lines here to speculate why they are doing this. Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense. They might be doing this to improve the messaging of AI among causal users since right now there is a huge amount of datacenter backlash in the US due to AI grievances. Maybe they have to…
Is this new behavior from them? I haven't looked at their free chat offering in a minute, but I thought they always had them close behind paid tier, often with essentially equal products that made it weird for them to sell the paid tier for chat.
You can't even pick 5.6 luna on the chat app with a paid subscription. It just gives you sol (or use older models) with what seems like basically as much usage as you want. And sol is considerably smarter than luna.
All of this is of pretty minor importance though. You can't read as many tokens as a subcription can produce so more chat is not the value add nor super important.
I mean there are literally so many providers for free chat if you are willing to use several seperate apps.
The real value in these subs is using codex cli, much like the real point of anthropic subs is using claude code. Because agentic work actually does require a lot of tokens.
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#36Its always fun to try to read between the lines here to speculate why they are doing this. Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense. They might be doing this to improve the messaging of AI among causal users since right now there is a huge amount of datacenter backlash in the US due to AI grievances. Maybe they have to…
> Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense.
Definitely this. The recent 80% discount was a reaction to Deepseek's update so that they still position near the frontier. My theory: Luna has always had a much higher efficiency. You do know that the model didn't get faster after the discount?
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#37Does 5.6 Sol finally have an "instant" form? Is that the change?
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#38I can't wait to never see a reasoning button ever again. Why do I have to reason about what reasoning level to use?
Because the model can't read your mind and know if you want a quick answer, or an hour long deep dive.
Then it should just ask the user what they want if its unclear from the context.
Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#39Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users
#40Does 5.6 Sol finally have an "instant" form? Is that the change?
Yes