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Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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Re: Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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Why would anyone want to move to Mars? It's like moving to a desert.

yeah, we certainly have no examples of people moving to deserts on this planet, and even considering it a very attractive place to live :)

I mean... Not that many.

I've watched a few documentaries and there are barely a handful of houses let's say in Death Valley. And Death Valley is a lot more hospitable than Mars.

To each their own, though, sure!

Re: Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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post #11

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Why would anyone want to move to Mars? It's like moving to a desert.

yeah, we certainly have no examples of people moving to deserts on this planet, and even considering it a very attractive place to live :)

Well, frozen deserts like Northern Canada, Alaska or Siberia are not getting all hyped up and people often times are trying to get out from there even that it is almost not possible - see i.e. Norilsk

Mars with its -80 degC is much harsher desert than dirty industrial towns of Siberia.

Re: Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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There is basically zero chance of that happening. Not that this is impossible to do, but under Elons leadership it will never happen. Intelligence is non separable, you can't be smart in one area and be idiotic in another - if you are good at logical thinking, truth seeking, and problem solving this applies to everything you do in life. And its pretty evident with Starship it has been a collosal failure so far. They…

> Intelligence is non separable, you can't be smart in one area and be idiotic in another This is patently false. > if you are good at logical thinking, truth seeking, and problem solving this applies to everything you do in life. That's how we STEM people like to see ourselves, yes. But that's rarely how it plays out. First, ego gets in the way. When someone thinks they understand something (even if it's way outside…

Lol think about what you are saying. You are basically demonstrating the non-intelligent people.

If someone ego gets in the way of understanding something, or they don't pay attention to counter evidence to what they believe in, that is an inherent process that does not represent truth seeking, therefore they are not intelligent.

I think you are confusing intelligence with ability to recall stuff. Memorizing stuff isn't intelligence. We have LLMs for that now. Intelligence is the ability to accurately simulate reality with a high degree of accuracy in your head, which includes understanding where the gaps in knowledge are. Anything other then that is not intelligence.

And this is something so fundamental that it can't be taught. You are either born with ability to prioritize that over empotions, or you aren't.

Re: Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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post #27

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> Intelligence is non separable, you can't be smart in one area and be idiotic in another This is patently false. > if you are good at logical thinking, truth seeking, and problem solving this applies to everything you do in life. That's how we STEM people like to see ourselves, yes. But that's rarely how it plays out. First, ego gets in the way. When someone thinks they understand something (even if it's way outside…

Lol think about what you are saying. You are basically demonstrating the non-intelligent people. If someone ego gets in the way of understanding something, or they don't pay attention to counter evidence to what they believe in, that is an inherent process that does not represent truth seeking, therefore they are not intelligent. I think you are confusing intelligence with ability to recall stuff. Memorizing stuff is…

> Intelligence is the ability to accurately simulate reality with a high degree of accuracy in your head

Mathematicians (eg: those that first conceived of non Euclidean geometries) aren't intelligent in your opinion?

Everything an intelligent person thinks must conform to some common hallucination or perception called "reality"?

Wowsers.

Re: Mars dust is toxic. How will future astronauts deal with it?

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post #17

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"Eventually" might be several million years though, and a lot of death in between. In evolutionary theory is there a term for plateaus of differentiation?

Do you mean "punctuated equilibrium"?

WOW, COOL. Thank you!! Yes. Informative.
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