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Why Is Europe Burning?

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Re: Why Is Europe Burning?

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> The alternative to this system would incur mass death for most of the population on the planet Maybe we could produce less plastic waste, like action figures and other toy junk? Children need/benefit from having toys, sure, but do we need mountains of options, many of which are destined for the landfill without ever leaving their packaging? There's a lot of areas we could cut back on excess without necessarily givi…

Obviously we can improve the world by having laws and customs that reduce wasteful consumption. I was talking about the alternative to a free market system dictated by people's wants, and the alternative to a natural progression of growth. The alternative is North Korea. It's a system that murders as many people as necessary to maintain what a few people in privileged positions would consider an equilibrium. Whether…

> I was talking about the alternative to a free market system dictated by people's wants, and the alternative to a natural progression of growth. The alternative is North Korea

None of that is true. Capitalism is not dictated by people's wants, and it's not a natural progression. It's just another new method being tried out for the last few decades or a couple of centuries, which is a tiny time period. Business goals are driven by greed, with utter disregard to good of humanity. Fossil fuels and AI are good examples of this.

Re: Why Is Europe Burning?

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post #23

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Perhaps you should do a a quick Wikipedia search of what Luddism was. Less about hating automation for some imagined coming collapse of society and far more about the immediate pressing issues of job losses, pay levels and working conditions.

Here's what I originally said, so you can tell me whether the parent poster's interpretation of my usage was accurate or not, and to what degree my usage of the term is a hill worth fighting on: Doomers are getting closer and closer to outright Luddite ideas. But the practical consequences of doing away with modern capitalism or industry, the things which have led us to environmental danger, would be the mass extermi…

The problem with your argument is, the "mass" effect won't be there because the excess mass won't be there. Rise of population is caused by the plentiful food that was possible due to industrialization and GM modifications. The "progress" has caused the problem (population) which you claim as being solved by the progress.

Re: Why Is Europe Burning?

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I kinda feel like this is mostly irrelevant. Europe can stop fossil fuel emissions entirely right now and it’d have very little effect. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t decarbonize! But… Europe needs to act. Global Warming is real, it’s happening, and it going to continue happening for decades regardless. So mitigations must be done. Improve fire fighting capabilities. Prepare for changing weather patterns and sea level r…

At least in Switzerland all of that is done and discussed publicly.

Some Cantons require all sorts of hoops to jump through in order to get an air conditioner.

Re: Why Is Europe Burning?

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I read recently that something like 90% of the fires in France are man-made with 30% of them being made maliciously.

After the Palisades fire in Los Angeles, maliciously man-made, it's hard to blame just global climate change...

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