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The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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"The idea behind this construction was suggested by an LLM (OpenAI’s GPT- 5.6 Sol). The authors have verified the mathematical details and have written the argument in their own words. Computer algebra software (Mathematica, Maple) was used to verify computations and produce visualisations"

Having the title "The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)" instead of "The Maxwell Conjecture Is False" is editorializing

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On the one-hand side, it's really impressive how LLMs drive mathematics forward, and this pace is only accelerating very quickly. At the same time, most of the proofs I've looked at appear super messy and chaotic to me (while still being correct of course, so it doesn't matter). LLMs do not care about "elegance" the way human beings do, which is a big advantage. LLMs for mathematics is such a great fit on many levels…

> LLMs do not care about "elegance" the way human beings do, which is a big advantage. It's just a matter of time before you can post train it for elegance too. Mathematical proofs in particular can be formally verified automatically which is a big advantage.

I'm not sure that elegance will be so easy to train for, the same way that writing skill has plateaued (or arguably declined) since earlier models. "Have you solved the problem" is verifiable, but questions of taste are harder to pin down.

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Tip for smart science-y young people: think about a career in experimental physics. Experimental data is the complement of theoretical power. Since theory can be provided cheaply by LLMs, experimental ability is now the bottleneck for progress in physics. I expect to see frontier labs or startups hiring experimentalists to provide data for LLMs to analyze, pushing towards breakthroughs in areas like room-temperature…

Until we got robots doing that

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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It is mathematical folklore that one should attempt to prove a conjecture by day, disprove it by night. Jordan Ellenberg recently popularized this in his 2014 book. He and I both heard this from Barry Mazur, but it dates at least to Bing, if not antiquity.

What is the purpose of mathematics? To be the architect of new conventions by seeing clearly past the old? If so, believing that the entire point is proving statements is a poor start. Bill Thurston was a visionary who happened to prove a great deal of what he saw, but his influence was his vision.

For those of us who like to understand every line of code we generate, and have labored for years to learn how to make best use of AI, a factor of two is a reasonable estimate for our productivity gain.

For those of us who believe mathematics is about achieving human understanding, having machines decide what's true and what isn't makes a night and day difference. Again, about a factor of two.

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On the one-hand side, it's really impressive how LLMs drive mathematics forward, and this pace is only accelerating very quickly. At the same time, most of the proofs I've looked at appear super messy and chaotic to me (while still being correct of course, so it doesn't matter). LLMs do not care about "elegance" the way human beings do, which is a big advantage. LLMs for mathematics is such a great fit on many levels…

I agree, counterexample to P!=NP would be great. I tried but it's a mess.

I’m pretty sure “counterexample” is the wrong word here.

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I've actually been involved in annotation projects doing RLHF to train LLMs to do exactly that. It's not a matter of time, it's already happening - it's just seemingly lower priority than "profitable" projects like post-training LLMs to replace white collar workers.

>> post-training LLMs to replace white collar workers. And I look forward to a single example where this happened....

Before LLMs, empire building was a very large incentive to hire. Teams tended to become larger than they needed to be so the boss feels good about their life choices.

LLMs do not fix this problem, they make it worse. Instead of the team being oversized, they’re now way oversized. It is still in everyone’s best interest to look busy anyways and LLMs do help a lot with that.

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I agree, counterexample to P!=NP would be great. I tried but it's a mess.

I’m pretty sure “counterexample” is the wrong word here.

Isn't it a bit Catch 22 anyway? If someone finds a algorithm to reduce some NP task X to class P, then that just means X wasn't a true NP task and P!=NP is still undecided?

Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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Not to denigrate the moment (AI ingress into theory which this is a part of) or the result here, but these headlines are perhaps overstating the importance - some of the theories and conjectures are available for AI-assisted exploration because they are quite niche and not very important. Maxwell's name being invoked here for instance implies a hundred year old foundational problem like Fermat, but it's just a recent…

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Re: The Maxwell Conjecture Is False (GPT 5.6 Sol)

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> LLMs do not care about "elegance" the way human beings do, which is a big advantage. It's just a matter of time before you can post train it for elegance too. Mathematical proofs in particular can be formally verified automatically which is a big advantage.

I'm not sure that elegance will be so easy to train for, the same way that writing skill has plateaued (or arguably declined) since earlier models. "Have you solved the problem" is verifiable, but questions of taste are harder to pin down.

This sounds kind of like unreadable code, though. So it's more than just taste.
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