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Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by IncreasePosts »

happytoexplain wrote: post #8
IncreasePosts wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak for yourself. I don't mind this type of surveillance personally.

If you force surveillance on 10 people and even one of them doesn't consent, that's still a net bad. And this situation is probably closer to the inverse of those numbers, or at the very least 50/50. And this isn't even to mention the criminal negligence of Flock, and the evils they have already enabled, as committed both by Flock employees and by government.

Is surveillance special in that it needs total buy in from society, or else it's bad? Is any other aspect of governance held to that standard?

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by know-how »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #24

I do find it very funny how over the past couple of decades US has been talking about how awful Chinese government is wrt surveillance, but now doing exactly the same but through private industry contracts instead. I hold a semi-middle ground view to CCTVs/plate readers, and understand how it can deliver improved QoL to most citizens. But a bit weird how a core American "surveillance = big no no" belief was thrown ou…

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Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by righthand »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #4
josefritzishere wrote: post #2

This sort of hyper-local protest is the way to go. Nobody wants to be surveilled.

Speak for yourself. I don't mind this type of surveillance personally.

Neither do the pedophiles in positions of power that want to watch you and your children.

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by IncreasePosts »

infinite_spin wrote: post #10
IncreasePosts wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak for yourself. I don't mind this type of surveillance personally.

It's hard to gauge the sincerity of these beliefs, and even harder to tell if you've actually tested these beliefs against the reality of mass surveillance, especially when it's been used to arrest and stalk innocent people. https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/georgia-cops-keep-get... https://cambridgeanalytica.org/surveillance-privacy/police-f... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-cop-investigating-a...

Well, we need laws and oversight to stop these actions. Do you realize that people use phones to stalk innocent people? And yet you probably have a phone. Why is that?

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by jodacola »

collabs wrote: post #22

I know this is preaching to the choir but from the article on the person holding the skimmer > Police can also use the cameras to surveil protestors and stalk ex-lovers—or strangers they find attractive. I didn't believe police actually did this until a roommate's new classmate told me her story. She has recently moved in to the neighborhood (an HOA at that). She was walking her dog one evening when a police officer…

A little searching will find you all sorts of such hits, like an officer tracking her domestic partner [0], an officer stalking someone after meeting on a TV set* [1], another officer tracking his ex partner [2], another officer tracking his mistress [3]. This is just a random sample.

* Note this scenario was not with Flock, which is important: there's more than one player in this space. Kill Flock and others might roll in; something broader is needed like, oh, I don't know, constitutional protections or something.

[0] https://www.cbsnews.com/atlanta/news/police-supervisor-accus...

[1] https://www.404media.co/footage-shows-cop-stalking-woman-he-...

[2] https://www.404media.co/cops-keep-getting-arrested-for-using...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byhWSvwz1Vw

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by charcircuit »

collabs wrote: post #22

I know this is preaching to the choir but from the article on the person holding the skimmer > Police can also use the cameras to surveil protestors and stalk ex-lovers—or strangers they find attractive. I didn't believe police actually did this until a roommate's new classmate told me her story. She has recently moved in to the neighborhood (an HOA at that). She was walking her dog one evening when a police officer…

Why don't they instead push for making abuses of law enforcement access illegal? That way we can both catch criminals and missing people along with avoiding abuse.

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by ceejayoz »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #34
infinite_spin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to gauge the sincerity of these beliefs, and even harder to tell if you've actually tested these beliefs against the reality of mass surveillance, especially when it's been used to arrest and stalk innocent people. https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/georgia-cops-keep-get... https://cambridgeanalytica.org/surveillance-privacy/police-f... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-cop-investigating-a...

Well, we need laws and oversight to stop these actions. Do you realize that people use phones to stalk innocent people? And yet you probably have a phone. Why is that?

> Well, we need laws and oversight to stop these actions.

Do you think this hasn't been tried?

We have laws on stalking. We've tried to rein in cops.

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by _doctor_love »

collabs wrote: post #22

I know this is preaching to the choir but from the article on the person holding the skimmer > Police can also use the cameras to surveil protestors and stalk ex-lovers—or strangers they find attractive. I didn't believe police actually did this until a roommate's new classmate told me her story. She has recently moved in to the neighborhood (an HOA at that). She was walking her dog one evening when a police officer…

Well known pattern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOVEINT

Re: Deflock Casa Grande

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Post by derektank »

collabs wrote: post #22

I know this is preaching to the choir but from the article on the person holding the skimmer > Police can also use the cameras to surveil protestors and stalk ex-lovers—or strangers they find attractive. I didn't believe police actually did this until a roommate's new classmate told me her story. She has recently moved in to the neighborhood (an HOA at that). She was walking her dog one evening when a police officer…

>They won't use technology to find our lost/stolen phones

Our local sheriff’s department used Apple’s FindMy to search for my parent’s iPad that had been stolen from their car during a smash and grab. In this case, he found it in the possession of a couple that had found it tossed on the side of the street after the thief had stripped it for cash and credit cards, but it saved them the hassle and cost of having to buy a new one.

Anyways, there’s nothing stopping PDs from searching for stolen electronics. Maybe you should talk to your local city council and ask why yours don’t?

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