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VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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post #6

Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.

So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#32
post #6

Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.

So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround

You might be looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_distribution_system

This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#33
post #4

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Unfortunately most consumers put up with it, instead of handling it like shoes, returning them to the shop for a refund, or if surviving the explosion, a lawsuit.

Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.

Buy better shoes. Quit buying Allbirds and Hey Dudes

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#34

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Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.

I wonder how much of the "shoes used to last longer" thing is down to individuals getting older and heavier over time. Also time perception changes with age. It's probably still true, though.

Two real, major issues:

- 30 years ago, you couldn't buy sports shoes (sneakers, runners, tennis shoes, court boots, whatever) that have only a foam midsole, no hard rubber outsole of any kind. A very light, foamy type of running shoe called a "race flat" did exist, but you had to go to a specialist store to find that. Without an outsole, EVA foam wears down fast. Stay away from these shoes unless you're looking to use them as bedroom slippers; always look for an outsole. If the shoe is not for a specific sport, look for trail runners, which have more outsole coverage on the bottom, often an uninterrupted one piece outsole.

- Most shoes today that look like they have a thick sole are actually hollow. If you peel off the layers of insoles, you see that the outsole is "ice cube tray" shell with voids. When the thin bottom of this tray wears through, they leak water. It just has to wear through in one spot, like the very back of the heel, and it's done as far as resisting water, and when it wears some more, rock can actually push up into the voids. All this can happen well under a year. I distinctly remember growing up with shoes that were solid, heel to toe.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#35
post #15

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Half of a year is getting awfully close to the timeline of a many return policies, and most people do like saving money. Just saying...

The Samuel Vimes Boot theory of economic unfairness comes to mind. Oh wow, it has it's own wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

Too bad they don't give Nobels for literature posthumously.

That single paragraph could win it.

Well ... maybe I'm biased ...

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

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What kind of, ahem, "non consumer hardware" should I buy to run a virtual machine?

There was a good article here yesterday on Colossus. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49012309

Beer->hold()

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/codebase

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#38

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Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.

Buy better shoes. Quit buying Allbirds and Hey Dudes

You are so right.

Shoes are one of those things where you get what you pay for.

Unfortunately, not everyone has access to quality shoes, either for reasons of money or geography.

I was given a pair of really nice shoes once. They've lasted me almost 20 years because I live in a large city where I can stop at a shoe shine stand every few weeks, and also have them re-soled as they wear.

Most people buy plastic junk from Amazon because they don't know better.

See also: People who work in offices, but still carry around a massive backpack like they're in sixth grade.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#39
post #6

Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.

I loved the last comment where he inferred no one knew the difference between a MAC address and a Mac computer, meanwhile he's fundamentally misunderstanding how networking works and making bizarre statements about wifi that literally everyone disagreed with him on. I bet he's still insisting he was right even though it's all fixed now because he doesn't get how VM network bridging works.

Re: VMs can't boot with Network Mode set to Bridged on Apple M5 Pro machines

#40
post #12

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What hardware do you think Apple uses to build their "professional" software on?

Not sure but for CAD they use Windows:

https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/nd4ax1

> "Used to work as a mechanical design engineer at Apple. They use Siemens NX on Windows computers."

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