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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> given the leeway the government gave that predatory website. They are only blocking it because the French gambling mafia/authority is not getting their cut. They do not care in any way at all about a "predatory" gambling website. They just want their share.

They want them to follow legally enacted laws in an open democracy.

If you’re aware of the organization called “FIFA” you can’t believe this is true.

I responded to the wrong comment, I ment to respond to the GP.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Without robust copyright protection, what will incentivize Anne Frank to write more diary entries?

People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective. What’s broken is extending copyright after a work was already created. But that’s true even if the creator was still alive.

> People do care about income streams for their descendants

Maybe worth reading more about Anne Frank. She did not write to make a buck

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective. What’s broken is extending copyright after a work was already created. But that’s true even if the creator was still alive.

I think the OP was pointing out that writers will write even without monetary recompense.

Really, all of them? In the history of the world there has never existed a writer who thought, hey I think I can do that pretty well, I suppose I will give a try and see if I can make money.

There has never been a writer who, writing for love, also thought, hey that is a great idea for a science fiction story, and that magazine is paying for science fiction, I will, in entrepreneurial fashion try to write a story so I can earn money. If it works out really well I could even have a best seller and move out of this garret! Or did this presumed writer just say, nah, screw that, another volume of poetry about dark haired ladies for me!

And of those who write even without monetary recompense, will they publish?

Will they send off to someone their writing and then sit through the editorial process for months, and agree to changes in order to get published?

Will they go through all the various parts of having to sell since they will not be getting paid for what they wrote?

Rhetorically speaking, Anne Frank is a writer who wrote without caring about any of that stuff, but unless the argument is that we should be rounding up people to send to death camps in order to promote better literature I don't really see the point of the argument.

Sure, after Anne Frank died and the war ended and her father had her diary published he went through the whole editing process and doing whatever was needed to spur sales of the book without much interest in benefiting from the copyright, but I sort of feel that he and his daughter may have been something of an outlier in most publication histories, and their story, engaging as it is, may not actually demonstrate so obviously that "writers will write even without monetary recompense"

on edit: The idea that people are "compelled to write" is essentially an idea that writers have some sort of psychological problem, at least a form of neuroticism, the argument that as they will write without compensation and thus there is no reason to compensate them is at its best an argument to take advantage of people with a psychological condition, although, for all the reasons outlined above I think we can see that the argument is completely senseless and flies in the face of logic.

There has been recent discussion of who was America's Homer, and I suggested Mark Twain https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48927260 who was a guy who so blindingly obviously wrote for money in almost all cases that it would just be absolutely ludicrous to argue otherwise.

Also, I see I got my downvote, oh noes!

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #27
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective. What’s broken is extending copyright after a work was already created. But that’s true even if the creator was still alive.

> But that’s true even if the creator was still alive. The foundation even tried to double dip on this by claiming Otto Frank as a co-author right before copyright expiration, three decades after his passing.

That ballpoint pen wasn't going to write itself.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Hopefully this ruling adds to some precedent in favour of VPNs to future court battles attacking VPNs for circumventing age verification.

Well, the EU courts will just follow suit the moment the legislation is changed. Today France did so - young people are disallowed from accessing antisocial media. The next step will be verification. Any parent not sniffing on their children will be put in jail. King Macron decreed this today. (He is such a small man though - all the small french, such as Napoleon, have a compensation-problem with regards to their ra…

> Well, the EU courts will just follow suit the moment the legislation is changed.

That’s the whole point. The courts uphold the law. Change the law, and the courts change what they do.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP was pointing out that writers will write even without monetary recompense.

Really, all of them? In the history of the world there has never existed a writer who thought, hey I think I can do that pretty well, I suppose I will give a try and see if I can make money. There has never been a writer who, writing for love, also thought, hey that is a great idea for a science fiction story, and that magazine is paying for science fiction, I will, in entrepreneurial fashion try to write a story so…

>Really, all of them?

Do we have exactly the correct number of authors right now and any change to copyright risks tipping us from some balance point into darkness?

Or maybe we could do without Steven Kings and JK Rowlings sorts and get along fine.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Now watch the octogenarian UK lawmakers outlaw them anyway...right after they print the proposed law out because they don't do so well with computer stuff

> The UK government has officially scrapped the idea of restricting virtual private networks (VPNs) to enforce its impending social media bans, delivering a massive victory for digital privacy advocates. > Speaking on BBC Breakfast today, the government confirmed a major U-turn on the subject, with Online Safety Minister Kanishka Narayan stating: "We decided not to limit VPNs." > This was further cemented in a writte…

British Parliament only has to be lucky once. VPNs have to be lucky every time.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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post #15
post #12

Without robust copyright protection, what will incentivize Anne Frank to write more diary entries?

People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective. What’s broken is extending copyright after a work was already created. But that’s true even if the creator was still alive.

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the EU courts will just follow suit the moment the legislation is changed. Today France did so - young people are disallowed from accessing antisocial media. The next step will be verification. Any parent not sniffing on their children will be put in jail. King Macron decreed this today. (He is such a small man though - all the small french, such as Napoleon, have a compensation-problem with regards to their ra…

> Well, the EU courts will just follow suit the moment the legislation is changed. That’s the whole point. The courts uphold the law. Change the law, and the courts change what they do.

One of the core functions of Court of Justice of the European Union (CEJU) is to perform judicial review, which means they can strike down laws. So it would not be legal to pass legislation attempting to make legal what they struck down.
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