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Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by noodlescb »

airstrafer wrote: post #28
noodlescb wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how consistently none of us even vaguely consider Grok an actual player

The models might be good but the product design, user story, and marketing is so terrible that it’s difficult to see it as more than an also-ran

Even that is kind tbh. The company is so poorly run and the leader so controversial that it makes it irresponsible to build anything serious that relies on their products. Other than the rocket part of the business, everything else under the SpaceX umbrella is a nonstarter.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #29
momojo wrote: post #20

I'm no fan of Facebook or its social effects but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. Popular microscopy models like Cellpose[0] have leaned heavily on the cornucopia of open and SOTA power. I have no doubt thousands of biologists have benefitted from the capabilities these models bring. I think it was unthinkable just 5 years ago that a single biologist with just a laptop could do mass-…

> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...

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Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by pram »

noodlescb wrote: post #27
Zaheer wrote: post #3

This fits with my impression of the 'personality' of various models: Meta: Perceptive (strong vision) Gemini: Fastest Claude: Smartest OpenAI: Prettiest

I love how consistently none of us even vaguely consider Grok an actual player

To Grok's credit I think it's fairly good as a creative writing tool because it can be very "spontaneous" and it naturally seems to use an informal style. It also lacks a lot of the words and phrasing Claude and OpenAI get hyper-fixated on.

IDK if this is emergent from being trained on an endless trough of Twitter shitposts but compared to how stiff the rest are, I consider it a feature. I wouldn't use it for anything important though, heh.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by [deleted] »

momojo wrote: post #20

I'm no fan of Facebook or its social effects but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. Popular microscopy models like Cellpose[0] have leaned heavily on the cornucopia of open and SOTA power. I have no doubt thousands of biologists have benefitted from the capabilities these models bring. I think it was unthinkable just 5 years ago that a single biologist with just a laptop could do mass-…

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Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by righthand »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #29
momojo wrote: post #20

I'm no fan of Facebook or its social effects but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. Popular microscopy models like Cellpose[0] have leaned heavily on the cornucopia of open and SOTA power. I have no doubt thousands of biologists have benefitted from the capabilities these models bring. I think it was unthinkable just 5 years ago that a single biologist with just a laptop could do mass-…

> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...

React is more of a plague than a wonderful downstream effect or mixed bag. It’s essentially cemented Js as the way to build a website even if you don’t need the complexity. It is the leader in brain dead Js evangelism.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by hgoel »

sailingparrot wrote: post #25

> Meta's open-source approach makes this possible I'm sorry, was this article drafted in 2024 and never updated?

The models in question have source and weights available. AFAIK not fully FOSS because the weights require registration to access.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by orochimaaru »

6stringmerc wrote: post #15

As a former proposal specialist (B2B, B2G, non DoD) I looked into the Genesis Mission procurement site and process. Unless someone can correct me, the total amount of grant monies is $280,000,000 or so. It became obvious that it’s not worth my time to engage in the “mission” as they call it, even if I could benefit some worthwhile causes. That’s a pittance and pretty insulting to the purported benefit of funding scie…

This is a really weird comparison. The Chan Zuckerberg foundation is nowhere involved with any war. All they’re doing is making money available for research. In which universe is $280m not enough?

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by hgoel »

munk-a wrote: post #30
momojo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company does whole-brain scans of mice on a Zeiss Z.1. Lower resolutions are typically in the low hundreds of GB. Higher-resolutions and multichannel staining can get you in the TB range. When a typical client is doing 10's of brains it definitely adds up. But even for us (and I consider us a smaller operation) we aren't output PB's. So I'd consider the above claim still pretty impressive.

Yeah - our multi TB scan from two decades ago was a dolphin brain image which is a fair bit larger than mouse - and it was a stained sample that ended up being used as our demo image frequently because the contrast dyes set well and resulted in a very pretty visual overall. I didn't meant to say that PBs of image data is common place - we had no image that approached that size - but people outside the domain of micro…

I think a big thing that the enterprise comparison misses is that this is petabytes worth of dense data that has to be put through fairly heavy processing (some of which is currently custom for the specific experiment) and studied by a human.

It isn't just a giant database of small files and metadata blindly feeding a recommender system.

Several petabytes is definitely a staggering amount of data in that context of being analyzed by human eyes to extract some scientific value.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

righthand wrote: post #35
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...

React is more of a plague than a wonderful downstream effect or mixed bag. It’s essentially cemented Js as the way to build a website even if you don’t need the complexity. It is the leader in brain dead Js evangelism.

Credit where credit is due, though: ReactJS became #1 on its merits.

...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding.

If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s, 2000s, and most of the 2010s I invite you to try making a native Windows 11 desktop UI using WinUI3 using the MVVM (anti-) pattern: nothing but mutable objects of indeterminable state getting caught in infinite-loops or unbound recursion due to INotifyPropertyChanged - and Microsoft is still pretending that's the "right" way to build a UI.

Sorry am ranting on about something I have very little control over; it's just frustating.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by kingstnap »

sailingparrot wrote: post #25

> Meta's open-source approach makes this possible I'm sorry, was this article drafted in 2024 and never updated?

This sort of random out of date comment is a common LLM writing trope. Though it is true that the segment anything model is open source.

https://github.com/facebookresearch/sam3

They have another with calling A100s modern.

> A100 GPUs — the high-performance computing chips that power today's most advanced AI systems.

They might not have written it with AI, but the article has a lot of em dashs and colons and not this but that statements.

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