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Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity

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What fraction of Irish GDP is linked to datacenters? If I remember correctly from the pre-AI world, datacenters were at the heart of Dublin's industrial strategy, and they were credibly linked to a double-digit fraction of production.

Irelands big pull to these companies is to not tax them as much as other countries.

That said, once built and lit up, it's hard to move a data center to another country.

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Is there a snowball effect where a big AWS region attracts more usage? Those snowballs are more significant in smaller countries?

Yes, the largest regions get new services launched in them first, and the widest range of hardware, encouraging more people to use them.

Re: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity

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Ireland has been a data center hub for decades - especially thanks to the IDA successfully wooing Microsoft back in 2007 [0], and it helped played a role in helping Ireland partially recover from the AIB and housing collapse back in 2008 and become the tech hub it is today. Heck, it was the corneestone of the IDA's tech FDI policy back then [1]. Heck, Google itself only expanded in Ireland back in the 2000s in large…

That and misappropriating a lot of the taxes of other countries in the process

It's not misappropriation. Other countries within the EU could be much more business incorporation and FDI friendly, and IDA Ireland tends to be one of the more competent trade promotion agencies within the EU.

Why should Ireland undermine 13% of it's GDP [0]?

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> Telling American multinationals you will have them pay 0 tax isn't exactly a "tax policy" as such

Ireland's corporate tax rate is 12.5% but drops to 6.25% if it's qualified R&D and IP income with an added 35% R&D tax credit.

It's attractive, but CEE states like Poland and Czechia can (and often do) match that.

The biggest attraction for Ireland is the fact that everyone speaks English in Ireland, and Irish tax and corporate legal firms have worked with American firms since the 1990s, which reduces the headache.

> Or to 0.005% if you're Apple

Which ended in 2014, yet Ireland still remains attractive for tech FDI.

At the end of the day, Ireland executed much better than it's developmental peers in the 1990s (Spain, Czechia, Russia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Greece, Argentine, and Libya in 1991 based on HDI) simply because it was much more business friendly.

[0] - https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/ireland-digi...

Re: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and misappropriating a lot of the taxes of other countries in the process

It's not misappropriation. Other countries within the EU could be much more business incorporation and FDI friendly, and IDA Ireland tends to be one of the more competent trade promotion agencies within the EU. Why should Ireland undermine 13% of it's GDP [0]? Edit: can't reply > Telling American multinationals you will have them pay 0 tax isn't exactly a "tax policy" as such Ireland's corporate tax rate is 12.5% but…

Telling American multinationals you will have them pay 0 tax isn't exactly a "tax policy" as such.

Re: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity

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That is about 3% of California's total energy usage Or about 11,000 GWh which is about 4% of California which means without the theatrics: California has 4x more data centers than Ireland. California: ~810 watts per person. (278,000 GWh / 39.4 million people) Ireland: ~690 watts per person. (32,000 GWh / 5.3 million people) We have air conditioning and that may be why we use more POWAH

What fraction of Irish GDP is linked to datacenters? If I remember correctly from the pre-AI world, datacenters were at the heart of Dublin's industrial strategy, and they were credibly linked to a double-digit fraction of production.

Even in the hypothetical that datacenters would double Ireland’s GDP what real positive impact would it have if they pay zero taxes?

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Are we allowed post masto links? I'm an Irish techie. I shot a video about this. Sorry about the camera shake: https://mastodon.ie/@handi/116900076149521593

> Dump #datacenters - they are not critical Internet infrastructure!

what is the alternative? I don't think self hosting is a robust/defensible option for a majority of internet services

Re: Irish datacenters now guzzle 23% of the country's electricity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fraction of Irish GDP is linked to datacenters? If I remember correctly from the pre-AI world, datacenters were at the heart of Dublin's industrial strategy, and they were credibly linked to a double-digit fraction of production.

Even in the hypothetical that datacenters would double Ireland’s GDP what real positive impact would it have if they pay zero taxes?

Did you mean hypothesis?
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