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Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by grayhatter »

realo wrote: post #27
grayhatter wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested in your perspective, Do you think you're more mad you got the vaccine, or more greatful that you did because an organic infection would have done more damage?

The more interesting question is whether he would have got the myocarditis if he had not taken the vaccine. I think he would have. And might have died of COVID on top of it.

> I think he would have. And might have died of COVID on top of it.

That's my assumption as well, and exactly why I'm curious. That is something I'd assume is a lot easier to believe when it's just the theory. But if I developed a heartblock, I might not be able to rest on that reality. I'm kinda wondering how much confidence they place in that as the inevitability.

I asked because I was thinking about that Jimmy Carr joke, "Do you think we overreacted to covid?" the crowd cheers. "Yeah all the survivors usually think so!". And wondering how true it is, whit some perspective I don't have :)

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by Krssst »

brewcejener wrote: post #22

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If people develop long COVID after catching COVID (even before the vaccine existed), but not after taking the vaccine, then the cause is the virus not the vaccine.

Those weird comments coming back again and again is just insane. I wonder why does HN attract that kind of people.

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by draebek »

rdmirza wrote: post #21

It's established that COVID can persist in tissue/blood - particularly in immunocompromised patients - and is associated with long COVID [1]. This abstract only reports a cut-off of >60 days from COVID infection, so it's hard to know how many of these deceased patients are truly outside the acute infection phase. Although this research area is the most promising avenue for long COVID -- wrt biologic rationale -- the…

> Viral disease is not being associated with more and more long term diseases.

You meant to write "now being associated with more and more long term diseases", right?

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by pstuart »

realo wrote: post #27
grayhatter wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested in your perspective, Do you think you're more mad you got the vaccine, or more greatful that you did because an organic infection would have done more damage?

The more interesting question is whether he would have got the myocarditis if he had not taken the vaccine. I think he would have. And might have died of COVID on top of it.

I too have long wondered about this -- it makes complete sense. What confuses me is that this subject hasn't been properly explored and/or communicated (AFAIK).

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by pohuing »

thenerdhead wrote: post #17
st-keller wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came to the same conclusion and normally i don’t write about it. Beiing one of the few who pays 250€ to get my family vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 every year here in Germany (i have to pay because our „StIKo“ doesn’t recommend the vaccination) kind of makes me hesitant to talk about it.

thats strange as I thought Germany is the one investing over the next decade in these conditions?

The recommendation is to get your basic immunization of 1-3 pricks depending on how many you've already had, or if you've already had covid.

Certain at risk individuals, or ones that work with them are recommended to also get a prick every year around autumn ideally.

If you're not in that last category the insurance will only cover your initial innoculation.

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by dualvariable »

M95D wrote: post #28
mchusma wrote: post #9

After seeing studies like this, and how the shingles vaccine reduces dimensia, I have become increasingly convinced that it’s bad to get almost any disease, even transiently. I used to think that it was kind of good to train your immune system (kind of whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger). I no longer believe that. I believe that diseases often cause unknown effects and it’s better to avoid disease entirely,…

You can and should train your immune system, but not by fighting the enemy. Train it with a sparring partner - a vaccine. Many people think that viruses are as benign as common flu (influenza), or common cold (rhinoviruses), because that what they experienced themselves and parents and schools don't do a good job of explaining just how bad some diseases are. (To "protect" the children, perhaps?) But most viruses are…

> Many people think that viruses are as benign as common flu (influenza)

Had influenza in 2018, as a 46-year-old and it was not particularly benign.

3 days straight of 103 degree fever and think I had mild long-covid-ish symptoms for the next year or so.

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by rolph »

jgalt212 wrote: post #8
realo wrote: post #7

The science is interesting but I must admit I learned a new word today. A deceased person is also a decedent. Adjective vs noun. Cool.

Yes, but deceased is also a noun. The Economist's Style Guide would not approve.

the antecedent decedent, was deceased and desistant.

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by M95D »

dualvariable wrote: post #36
M95D wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can and should train your immune system, but not by fighting the enemy. Train it with a sparring partner - a vaccine. Many people think that viruses are as benign as common flu (influenza), or common cold (rhinoviruses), because that what they experienced themselves and parents and schools don't do a good job of explaining just how bad some diseases are. (To "protect" the children, perhaps?) But most viruses are…

> Many people think that viruses are as benign as common flu (influenza) Had influenza in 2018, as a 46-year-old and it was not particularly benign. 3 days straight of 103 degree fever and think I had mild long-covid-ish symptoms for the next year or so.

You should read about the other ones...

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by esbranson »

mchusma wrote: post #9

After seeing studies like this, and how the shingles vaccine reduces dimensia, I have become increasingly convinced that it’s bad to get almost any disease, even transiently. I used to think that it was kind of good to train your immune system (kind of whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger). I no longer believe that. I believe that diseases often cause unknown effects and it’s better to avoid disease entirely,…

Disease effects versus vaccine effects. Propaganda consumers ("news" viewers) seem to be generally clueless about one side or the other, which informs their balancing decision.

But you're right, a baby getting Hepatitis B versus the HepB vaccine. For the 0.15% of babies with perinatal HepB (2022 CDC cohort[1]) it's easy to say give them the vaccine after infection.

What about the other 90% of babies without HepB getting the vaccine (yes, they do)? Are our hospitals and elementary schools some version of Epstein Island? Are the hospitals competent enough to give the vaccines too incompetent to screen? What are population-level downsides to giving vaccines at such young ages before there is a reasonable risk of infection? I don't know, but I believe my preferred propaganda networks refuse to tell me, which makes the balancing decision harder for me in such cases than it is for you in your preferred case.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis-surveillance-2023/perinatal-he...

Re: Autopsy Study Finds Replicating SARS-CoV-2 in the Hearts of Long Covid

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Post by DANmode »

mchusma wrote: post #9

After seeing studies like this, and how the shingles vaccine reduces dimensia, I have become increasingly convinced that it’s bad to get almost any disease, even transiently. I used to think that it was kind of good to train your immune system (kind of whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger). I no longer believe that. I believe that diseases often cause unknown effects and it’s better to avoid disease entirely,…

> I believe that diseases often cause unknown effects

We know it. That’s the best part. We know about the nervous system’s disruption in the presence of bacterial infections, viruses, any infection that the body wants to alter its blood chemistry to slow down, any infection that brings its own biolfilms and messes with your cellular electricities, any infection that throws off viral or bacterial waste for your heart valves to slog through…

We know these things, in isolation.

We just don’t teach them as they (almost certainly) apply here.

Because you need a peer-reviewed study that, for example, specifically proves COVID infection is linked to viral shedding which is linked to chest pain / heart, stamina problems.

You can’t just assume that’s what’s happening because that’s what always happens.

Looks where that’s getting us, though. Data says we’re all being thrashed by cancers, and endocrine instability.

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