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The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

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Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

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post #7

In all cases where I was presented with an unreasonable non-compete, I either negotiated it away or scratched it out before signing. I know not everyone has that luxury, but if your BATNA is signing, it's worth a shot.

Easier to do when there's paper to scratch.

I wonder if anyone has tried presenting an “Artist Rider” to similar effect.

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#32
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you on facebook?

Rather than asking him the question of why in a simple rudimentary form, give the guy motivation to quit facebook instead. Facebook employs guilt tactics about people they know to get them to stay, and if they quit, they're likely to go back because of in person connections. By sounding condescending, the person you're replying to is likely to justify staying rather than quitting.

i think your advice would apply in a standard human situation where optimal communication requires decoration, in this scenario i reciprocated the communication format which indicates acceptance

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#33
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you on facebook?

i have an account from when i was a teenager that i sometimes use to talk to family. why do you ask? based on my anecdote we are all tracked by facebook, whether or not we are on facebook.

It was confusing hearing that Facebook was recommending people to you when you made it sound like you were choosing to opt out of those things.

I am not sure how your anecdote would show you are all tracked by Facebook even if you aren't on facebook; you only received recommendations for people to friend on facebook because you are on facebook. I am not on facebook, so i have never had facebook recommend anyone to me.

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#34
I don't think I can live outside of California at this point

I don’t even negotiate these clauses I just have so much assurance the state is going to throw out the case that I just let the client shoot themselves in the foot, and silently get invested in seeing which other ways they’ll mess up

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have an account from when i was a teenager that i sometimes use to talk to family. why do you ask? based on my anecdote we are all tracked by facebook, whether or not we are on facebook.

It was confusing hearing that Facebook was recommending people to you when you made it sound like you were choosing to opt out of those things. I am not sure how your anecdote would show you are all tracked by Facebook even if you aren't on facebook; you only received recommendations for people to friend on facebook because you are on facebook. I am not on facebook, so i have never had facebook recommend anyone to me…

my phone cant run facebook. by choosing this phone i am opting not to have facebook track me on a constant basis. however, based on whatever signals are available to everyone elses phones, facebook still tracks me. and facebook is doing the same to everybody including you - not sure if youre aware of the concept of shadow profiles?

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#36
post #23

Non-competes in finance almost always come with compensation during the defined period. The idea that a company can restrict at-will employee’s post-separation employment is absurd if they aren’t compensating the individual. In many US states and countries outside the US, the enforcement of non-competes is very very hard. The problem is that they create a RISK of enforcement.

Executive level non-competes are probably the most damaging for the overall economy though.

If there's a market-dominating company, and execs are allowed to leave said company, start a competitor, get some investor dollars behind them, then start poaching employees from the old company, the market can have a really viable competitor quite quickly.

Without that ability, little monopolies spring up throughout the economy and use their size to crush upstarts, under-compensate their employees, overcharge their customers, and squeeze their suppliers.

Banning non-competes is an absolute requirement for free-market capitalism to function properly.

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#39
post #24

Story time for NC's. I had a doctor that lived near me working at a medical clinic that got bought up by PE. He signed the new contract with them and kept working for a while, but decided he needed to move for one reason or another. After he quits, PE informs him of the NC in the new contract he signed, and that he wouldn't be able to practice medicine for N years (I think it was something like 5). He ended up hangin…

FYI - there are already a few states that don't allow companies to enforce such draconian noncompetes. Moving to California is better than killing yourself most of the time.

Clearly something else was going on. No mentally healthy person would kill themself because of this.

Re: The fine print that follows you out the door: non-compete clauses are spreading

#40
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why are you on facebook?

i have an account from when i was a teenager that i sometimes use to talk to family. why do you ask? based on my anecdote we are all tracked by facebook, whether or not we are on facebook.

well you were asking how to get out of the game. leaving facebook is one of the necessary steps. it may not be enough, and some things from you may still be tracked by meta, but less is better. it's as simple as that. i do have sympathy with the fact that sometimes you just can't avoid it though. if you have family members that absolutely refuse to talk to you in any other way for example. so i ask to reflect if you really need it, or if you can find other ways to stay in touch with your family. (but the key point is the reflection, i am not expecting you to find a solution right away. the point is: always be aware why you are making that tradeoff. i would be on facebook too if i had people there that are important to me and that i could not reach any other way. i do know some people that are on facebook that i would like to be in contact with, so i can sympathize.)
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