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My burner email blocklist blocked me

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Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#31
IDK man .. many services really just don't even want to deal with a sign up they are never going to reach. By using a disposable email, you're telling the business, I want to use your service, get value, but I don't really want you to reach me. To them, it sounds like a loss loss situation. Business are there to make money, and they offer a signup/trial/free account so they can give you access in exchange for being able to reach you.

But I do sympathize with the stupidity of marketing email madness.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#32
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You could just use my.name@gmail.com for the no-alias version. So myname+foo@ works and my.name@ works but myname@ goes directly to the trash.

That can also be normalized.

Yea, gotta take all dots out on the username portion of Gmail address

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#33
There is no one-size fits all solution here. It comes down to what the cost of spam/fake accounts is, the level of sophistication of your adversaries, and the cost of loss of use to legitimate users blocked by your signup gates. Each site has their own weighting across these factors.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#34

IDK man .. many services really just don't even want to deal with a sign up they are never going to reach. By using a disposable email, you're telling the business, I want to use your service, get value, but I don't really want you to reach me. To them, it sounds like a loss loss situation. Business are there to make money, and they offer a signup/trial/free account so they can give you access in exchange for being a…

Aliases are fair game .. for organization for just hiding your own email to limit tracking.. that's fair .. but bad, known disposable email generally just costs too much and is too risky for businesses.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#36
The people who want privacy and the people you want to block are using the same services and techniques. That's why web firewalls block privacy focused browsers, why TOR exit nodes are blocked from bald the internet, why email providers block new domains, and why sign-up forms block burners ("aliases" as you might also call them).

You can accept privacy enhancing measures but doing so hurts your ability to filter spam and other abuse.

I use these burner email services all the time because nobody on the internet can be trusted. Especially not the ones that try to lure you in and pop up an email registration box at the very last minute.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#37
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I’ve surprisingly found that I have started to have to use mydomain.com with Fastmail. Sometimes banks used for a business account, or accounts at b2b companies don’t treat fastmail.com as a large email provider, and otherwise try to associate me with other fastmail customers as though we are colleagues at Fastmail.

This is genuinely hilarious. Are you able to elaborate? Which banks? Which B2B? There is probably a shared product stack here that is making some hilariously poor decisions.

I couldn’t figure out why US Bank business card applications using a sole proprietorship EIN kept disappearing into a black hole or being denied. Eventually after a few phone calls they complained about the email address.

The other was ferguson.com, so that I could order specialized furnace parts and larger diameter plumbing fittings than I could order from Home Depot. I don’t remember the details, but I think the Ferguson business application kept trying to autofill an address for me. It probably would have required a confirmation from the person who had been turned into the administrator of “fastmail” before I could have been added to their organization and been able to make purchases using their account.

It might not be a problem at larger suppliers like Grainger or Digikey, but it does suggest a vulnerability if you set up a corporate account at a small supplier using a fastmail address. Their backend could assume that anyone able to receive emails on “your” fastmail.com domain is at least authorized by your IT department to use email. If they assume your IT department has an email retention policy, then they might default to treating it like your problem if one of your employees makes an unauthorized purchase.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#39
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Haha. I run a service that compiles IP addresses used by proxy services and a few months ago my own IP got there. Turned out to be a friend that installed an app to watch soccer matches for free and in return he became a node of one of those services.

Sharing network access? That's not friendship. That's a tenth anniversary wedding gift.

Re: My burner email blocklist blocked me

#40

"I never thought the leopards would eat MY face," sobs dude who contributed to the leopard-owned face eating industry. There has never been a good argument for attempting to filter email addresses based on domain. Check address syntax on interactive forms purely to help users (did they fat finger something). Whatever well-formed address you've got, fire off emails and if they can receive them then it's a legit addres…

Yes, and "well-formed" consists entirely of text on both sides of an @. Do no further validation.
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