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AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by bruhitsmeUNI »

kcoul wrote: post #21

Has anyone else found a similarity between how you feel at the end of a long AI coding session, and getting off of a long haul flight? I think the reasons are similar. On the flight, it's not exactly like you directly feel the wind going through your hair as you travel 1000km/hr, but your body still knows that you did. You feel the lag immediately, not really due to a time zone difference but due to how unnatural it…

So it feels just like in college where we had to learn these languages, syntaxes, semantics, before the term ends, and cram and exhaust ourselves before the test.

Cognitive researchers argue late teens to early 20s is the zeitgeist that is the hardest to shake.

That seems to explain the obsession with Reagan era economics and politics of the >50 crowd

Millennials have been in "learn new abstraction" mode for a couple decades regardless such output doesn't really move science forward. Is just learning a new state storage and state mutation syntax

End of the day its labeling some math with some biz edge case

I like the idea of such not being in the code at all. Taking anti-oop to the extreme; code need just be geometric functions to draw on the screen be it text shapes or video game entities

Then we can label on the presentation layer the human context

Then programming can go away.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by cyanydeez »

kcoul wrote: post #21

Has anyone else found a similarity between how you feel at the end of a long AI coding session, and getting off of a long haul flight? I think the reasons are similar. On the flight, it's not exactly like you directly feel the wind going through your hair as you travel 1000km/hr, but your body still knows that you did. You feel the lag immediately, not really due to a time zone difference but due to how unnatural it…

>not really due to a time zone difference but due to how unnatural it is to move so far in so short a time.

I'm fairly certain it's the loudness and constant cabin vibration; not temporal mechanics.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by naveen99 »

kcoul wrote: post #21

Has anyone else found a similarity between how you feel at the end of a long AI coding session, and getting off of a long haul flight? I think the reasons are similar. On the flight, it's not exactly like you directly feel the wind going through your hair as you travel 1000km/hr, but your body still knows that you did. You feel the lag immediately, not really due to a time zone difference but due to how unnatural it…

Except airplanes have lower oxygen pressure. So it is physically much more demanding. Coding on the plane is harder than coding on the ground.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by Terr_ »

hoppp wrote: post #13
yungtunafish wrote: post #7

Just started at a company and the amount of irresponsible AI use is appalling. I asked an employee whose job involves AI adoption/training how large their diffs are for pull requests. They told me that their diffs are "As much as the model can produce given its reasoning level". In the end, this is going to create unmaintainable code that no one understands. It also discourages reviewing the code because no dev can m…

Yeah, I dread going back to work as my position has transformed from full stack dev to Ai code unfucker...

I'm not scared of trying to unfuck LLM code per se, but I'm very afraid of doing it in a company that's still simultaneously adding 10x more...

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by evolve2k »

gruez wrote: post #26
kcoul wrote: post #21

Has anyone else found a similarity between how you feel at the end of a long AI coding session, and getting off of a long haul flight? I think the reasons are similar. On the flight, it's not exactly like you directly feel the wind going through your hair as you travel 1000km/hr, but your body still knows that you did. You feel the lag immediately, not really due to a time zone difference but due to how unnatural it…

>but due to how unnatural it is to move so far in so short a time. Your body literally can't tell whether it's traveling at 500mph or still. After all, the earth is rotating around the sun at 70,000 mph. Of course, there might be plenty of other reasons why crossing continents in a metal tube might be exhausting (eg. jet lag, uncomfortable seats, noise/vibration), but pesudoscientific reasons like "unnatural it is to…

Wow. Your comments come across as rude and underdeveloped. I’d posit that if our planet was to significantly change is rotation speed that we would all sense it. That we are accustomed to a predictable constant is not the same as that we wouldn’t feel it if it changed.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by adammarples »

evolve2k wrote: post #35
gruez wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but due to how unnatural it is to move so far in so short a time. Your body literally can't tell whether it's traveling at 500mph or still. After all, the earth is rotating around the sun at 70,000 mph. Of course, there might be plenty of other reasons why crossing continents in a metal tube might be exhausting (eg. jet lag, uncomfortable seats, noise/vibration), but pesudoscientific reasons like "unnatural it is to…

Wow. Your comments come across as rude and underdeveloped. I’d posit that if our planet was to significantly change is rotation speed that we would all sense it. That we are accustomed to a predictable constant is not the same as that we wouldn’t feel it if it changed.

We have no ability to sense speed, only acceleration.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by gruez »

evolve2k wrote: post #35
gruez wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but due to how unnatural it is to move so far in so short a time. Your body literally can't tell whether it's traveling at 500mph or still. After all, the earth is rotating around the sun at 70,000 mph. Of course, there might be plenty of other reasons why crossing continents in a metal tube might be exhausting (eg. jet lag, uncomfortable seats, noise/vibration), but pesudoscientific reasons like "unnatural it is to…

Wow. Your comments come across as rude and underdeveloped. I’d posit that if our planet was to significantly change is rotation speed that we would all sense it. That we are accustomed to a predictable constant is not the same as that we wouldn’t feel it if it changed.

>I’d posit that if our planet was to significantly change is rotation speed that we would all sense it.

Can you feel the fact that in the sun's reference frame, your rotation speed around the sun is constantly changing? For about half the day, the earth is rotating in the same direction as the earth's orbit around the sun, adding to the speed, whereas for the other half of the day, the earth is rotating opposite the direction of the orbit, subtracting from the speed.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

sph wrote: post #20
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been my experience. LLMs cost me time , they don't save it.

Then why tf are you using it? I mean, seriously. Truly sounds like addiction.

Because my employer forces me to. I wouldn't be using it if not for that.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #23
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's been my experience. LLMs cost me time , they don't save it.

You may be wise beyond your years and are sitting on a goldmine of consulting opportunity if you can actually get tasks done faster without ai given the exact same inputs

Not really. It just is a very sucky tool, contrary to what the hype says.

Re: AI coding is addictive. Engineers are paying the price

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Post by andrekandre »

chopete3 wrote: post #12

The problem with articles like this one is, they give ways to become efficient at handling more addiction, at the individual level. Nothing for others part of this, companies developing the software and organizations employing these tools. Summary of the addiction management tips from the article. 1. Time-box your AI coding sessions with a clear goal and a hard end time. 2. Separate exploration (testing ideas) from e…

  > Nothing for others part of this, companies developing the software and organizations employing these tools.
lack of systems-thinking and over focus on the individual has been a trend since a long time in business. its all on the individual worker to fix things for themselves...
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