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Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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Automating a job is toxic now ?

When did killing someone else's livelihood stop being sociopathic?

"Computer" used to be a job title for a human. Was it sociopathic to introduce mechanical calculators because it made those jobs unnecessary?

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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Yes when the sole purpose is to remove the livelihood of people in an attempt to make short term gains for selfish short term reasons....AI is a weapon when you have corporate stooge lackies who have nothing but animous towards fellow humans who dare to work...and try to live. If AI was beneficial, no one would profitize it....but lbr...you know that...

If AI is not beneficial, then those humans could be re-hired soon. Big companies are always doing bad things, but not because they use AI, because they have legal protections which prevents small companies (which could be anyone like you and me) to compete. The same small companies who could also benefit from using AI.

Beneficial for who?

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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Depends on the scale and the technology. If the answer is "all of white collar workers" then I would argue it's very toxic. (I don't think it can do that, but it's hard not to get the impression that it's absolutely the goal). I haven't really heard of a stable society with 50% unemployment and zero social safety net.

200 years ago 75% of the population in western Europe were farmers. 100 years ago 41% were farmers. 10 years ago 1-3% were farmers. We are looking forward to bring the same productivity gains to logistics and manufacturing (look at the advancements done in the last few decades!). Why not bring this to white collar work too? I get so much more shit done today than I did a few years ago. It's a great time to be alive!

Has your salary gone up to match your productivity, or are you giving it all away for free?

You're not one of the people who gets to benefit from the gains.

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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Automating a job is toxic now ?

It can be. Because most automations never capture the complete scope of the job/task ( not even close ). Just like neurons, if you don't use it you lose it and when the inevitable problems come, nobody knows the why, the how and the what. At that point someone smart would incorporate all those real costs and opportunity loses on the "automating everything" equation. But they usually don't. Of course automating tasks…

I agree with that, and that’s why it’s better to ask an AI and improve your prompt, instead of hiring a human that will disappear and you will loose all institutional knowledge

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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Normies just don’t understand what all is involved in running and evolving a production system. They think all programmers do is write code. Of course they believe that AI could replace programmers. My in laws smugly asked me what I would be doing for work since AI would take away all the programming jobs and I said its not gonna happen and they laughed in derision.

I would be glad they don't understand what's next. For now, it helps devs keep a low profile as their work transitions into more bureaucracy. You're lucky they do not yet consider you one of the "bad guys" like lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc. (who didn't get replaced by the photocopier, google, or video tape)

Some people who "used to love programming" have jumped ship for precisely this reason. Ordinary software (not R&D) is getting serious. A broken or disagreeable app is no longer a mere inconvenience. There is growing alignment between business and politics and the older generation is retiring out.

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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I just don't understand why people are incapable of extrapolating. AI can't do this blah blah, my brother in spaghetti monster, have you seen the curve? ChatGPT launched in November, 2022. Opus in December last year. Do you see where this is going? AI may be a tool and add 50 IQ points to a 100 IQ person today but what happens when its adding 10000 IQ points. The 100 base doesn't quite matter as much does it? What do…

but you’re just on the other end doing the same thing.

one end is luddites nothing to see here, and the other end is omg humanity is cooked because programming is solved! and consciousness is coding so -> gg

yes there’s a wide surface of emergent behavior we haven’t fully explored, but why do you get the pass to draw a straight line to a conclusion? the naysayers are doing the same thing.

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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I just don't understand why people are incapable of extrapolating. AI can't do this blah blah, my brother in spaghetti monster, have you seen the curve? ChatGPT launched in November, 2022. Opus in December last year. Do you see where this is going? AI may be a tool and add 50 IQ points to a 100 IQ person today but what happens when its adding 10000 IQ points. The 100 base doesn't quite matter as much does it? What do…

I’m not convinced model productivity will scale forever.

Presumably there are a lot of use cases that are essentially “solved” where more powerful models won’t matter.

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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> Anthropic claims AI will replace industry X in Y months False, Anthropic didn’t claim what was linked in the article. > OpenAI CEO Sam Altman speculates that enough AI compute could help figure out how to cure cancer Idk likely true? What’s so wrong here. > Elon Musk says there will be no need for compilers as AI will write the binary directly What seems so off about this? AI can write binary and probably better in…

> AI can write binary and probably better in a few years. Assuming you mean an LLM, you'd have to train this LLM entirely on a parameter space of binary tokens. Or are you saying the LLM generating natural language tokens is going to be printing machine language in 3-5 years, because that claim kinda betrays a misunderstanding of LLM functions.

You don't use an LLM to create images, that requires (today) transformer model.

I assume that "AI can write binary" means "AI can use a toolset that results in a binary" because we've already seen GPTs use a combination of LLM and specialized math tools to do the things the original GPTs did.

Re: Give Smart People the Tools to Do Smart Things

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>>> CAD systems did not replace engineers.

It did replace draftsmen and designers, and changed the work that the engineers do. It's now more efficient to let engineers be their own draftsmen and designers. And design work has changed -- a lot less "hard" quantitative engineering, and a lot more "bureaucracy in three dimensions" as things have gotten more complex.

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