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Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by dimitrios1 »

overflyer wrote: post #23

Layer on layer on layer on layer on layer.... Web development is just a meme by now

Don't be so negative nancy here!

I have been doing "modern web" things since essentially day zero (you kids with your fancy JIT compiled javascript interpreters!)

SvelteKit, and by extension, Vite, has been the single most productive webstack I have ever used. If this offers anything on top of that, I welcome it with open arms.

Far from being a meme!

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by jml78 »

incrudible wrote: post #9

I have removed vite because dev build and reload is noticable slower than just esbuild and browser refresh. Vite does nothing for me that an LLM can not just trivially rebuild in a bespoke manner. YMMV

I am actually pushing our frontend devs to remove more and more dependencies and leverage LLMs to just write the code instead of all the dumbass packages in hellscape of supply chain attacks via node/npm.

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by TheCoreh »

gordonhart wrote: post #26
colesantiago wrote: post #7

Is there a subscription with this? I'm just wary about anything with a '+' and I assume there is a subscription attached to it. Looking at this it doesn't look like it.

My first thought too. "$name+" is strongly coded now as "subscription service for $name"

Yeah, not only the name: they’re also going with various semiotic signs that are strongly associated with a subscription service, including their website design, choice of typography, and even the press release–style copy.

Looks like they have been acquired by Cloudflare, and pivoted to fully open source, but they haven’t really tweaked their messaging to make that fully land with unsuspecting visitors.

It’s kinda like the reverse situation of open source projects that switch to a source available license, but keep the aesthetics of an open source project. Kinda funny!

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by oever »

overflyer wrote: post #23

Layer on layer on layer on layer on layer.... Web development is just a meme by now

Deze vuist op deze vuist. Deze vuist op deze vuist. Deze vuist op deze vuist. En zo klim ik naar boven.

You probably need to see a video or gif to get it.

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by ronbenton »

Truly have so much trouble keeping up with the frontend (or JavaScript?) ecosystem. I so miss working in laravel. Wish more jobs paid well to use it.

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by Quothling »

anon7000 wrote: post #25
overflyer wrote: post #23

Layer on layer on layer on layer on layer.... Web development is just a meme by now

This is just what modern languages have out of box. (Like rust and go.) it’s a true shame that web isn’t actually unified behind a type safe language with a single solid toolchain. It’s a huge pain to manage and I’m curious how much money it’s cost the industry. “Vite+” isn’t a true solution to that. There are many competing toolchains. And no default standardized one.

I'm not very familiar with Rust, but doesn't cargo pull a lot of external dependencies for most projects? I really like how Go can do everything with just the standard library, but I wasn't aware Rust was similar. For typescript we've moved our stuff to bun. It has it's own risk management perspective compared to node, but at least it's now possible to build web services without having to rely on a bunch of external dependencies. Which in our highly regulated business would require security policies for each dependency explaining the risks, why we accept them and how we mitigate them.

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by mnutt »

curtisblaine wrote: post #3
ivanjermakov wrote: post #2

Can it be used for Node builds or browser-only same as Vite?

I'm always curious of the use case when someone proposes Node code bundling. What's the advantage? Obfuscation in SEA?

In cases where startup time matters and you have a slow disk, bundling can drastically reduce the number of filesystem calls you have to make for large dependency graphs.

Re: Vite+ Beta

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Post by dalmo3 »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #31
overflyer wrote: post #23

Layer on layer on layer on layer on layer.... Web development is just a meme by now

Don't be so negative nancy here! I have been doing "modern web" things since essentially day zero (you kids with your fancy JIT compiled javascript interpreters!) SvelteKit, and by extension, Vite, has been the single most productive webstack I have ever used. If this offers anything on top of that, I welcome it with open arms. Far from being a meme!

vp + sv seems to work very well, when I tried it. And oxfmt supports svelte now too!
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